Marcus welcomes friend Dr. John Bergsma, a former Calvinist pastor. Marcus and Dr. Bergsma discuss the nature of the Church. Dr. Bergsma saw a contradiction within Scripture regarding the Protestant tenant of the personal interpretation of Scripture. The Bible seemed to describe a visible, united Church. He began to see in the Scriptures that the apostles weren’t just a group of first believers, but had authority as an Apostle. Does “word of mouth” mean “good preaching” or something else?