
When the news came in that Billy Graham passed away on Wednesday, February 21 at the age of 99, my thoughts immediately returned me to a class I took in grad school on American Evangelicalism. One of the daunting tasks of the class was to do something that no historian, pollster or news pundit has ever been able to successfully do: define the word “Evangelical” itself. Our professor, however, noted that the best single-sentence definition he’d ever come up with was “someone who likes Billy Graham.”
For half a century, Billy Graham was considered by many to be the gold standard for preaching, evangelizing, and living the Gospel as he understood it. He was friends with everyone from Ronald Reagan to Bill Clinton, from U2’s Bono to Johnny Cash. His mission was not to spread a theology; it was to introduce people to Jesus Christ and implore them to invite Him to be Lord of their lives.
On the one hand, Billy Graham could be criticized for his essentialist views of the Gospel. On the other hand however, he was often criticized for universalism because of his magnanimity toward Christians across denominational lines, beyond his personal Baptist allegiances. That magnanimity didn’t just extend to Methodists, Pentecostals or others who some might include under the umbrella of “Evangelicalism,” but also to liturgical traditions as well — Anglicans, Orthodox, and yes, even Catholics.
The story of Billy Graham’s relationship with the Catholic Church is a fascinating one, and would make for an excellent doctoral thesis at some point. In the meantime, while this is in no way meant to be comprehensive, here are a few interesting notes regarding Billy’s interactions with the Church of Rome that may come as a surprise to some:
His relationship with Pope John Paul II
The affinity between John Paul II and Billy Graham actually dates back to before Karol Wotjyla became pope. As a matter of fact, Cardinal Wotjyla invited Graham to preach a mission in Krakow in 1978. Wotjyla had to cancel his own appearance at the rally, however; he’d been called to Rome on account of the death of Pope John Paul I. In 1979, shortly after Wotjyla was raised to the papacy, Graham appeared on the Phil Donohue Show, and when asked about the new pope, Billy referred to him as a man of “real authority” who didn’t “pull any punches.”
After his election as pope, John Paul II had the opportunity to meet with Graham on three separate “official” occasions. According to Graham, the Holy Father told him, “we are brothers.” And in 1984, Graham’s spokesperson said that Billy had played a behind-the-scenes role in President Reagan’s establishment of diplomacy with the Vatican, which would eventually lead to the takedown of Communism in Eastern Europe.
His affinity for Archbishop Fulton Sheen
In his 1997 biography, Just As I Am, Graham mentions friendships with such prominent American Catholics as Fulton Sheen and Cardinal Cushing. And while some might think of Sheen as a sort of “Catholic Billy Graham,” it was Graham who once referred to Sheen as “the greatest communicator of the twentieth century.” The story of how they first met is the stuff of legend; according to Graham, the two happened to be on the same train from Washington, DC to New York City. Graham was apparently already in his pajamas when Sheen knocked on his door, wanting to meet him, and the two became fast friends.
Of course, Fulton Sheen was by no means the only prominent American Catholic with whom Billy was known to interact; Rose Kennedy once told Graham, “Even though we are Catholic, I have never heard you say anything we don’t agree with in the Bible.” Although Billy didn’t become a face of popular Protestant/Catholic ecumenism in the United States until the early 1980’s, it was in all the way back in 1967 that he received his honorary doctorate from Belmont Abbey College, after which he joked that people might start calling him “Father Graham.” And it was in 1981 that Billy spoke at a Vespers service at the North American College in Rome, which he later described as “Christocentric.”
The Catholic Church and Billy Graham Evangelistic Crusades
If there was a primary way in which most ordinary Christians encountered Billy Graham, it was his Crusades, which spanned the globe and drew tens of thousands of attendees in nearly every major city in the United States, and around the world. Graham actually ended up taking a lot of heat from fellow Protestant pastors for his approach to these events, an approach which developed over time; if someone came forward to accept Christ at a rally, he wanted them to plug back into whatever local Christian community they might already be connected to. This meant that if a Catholic came forward, Graham wanted them to have a ready connection with their local parish.
Because of this, some of Billy’s more fundamentalist Christian critics saw Graham as succumbing to Universalism, although Billy himself more likely looked at it as something more like Christian essentialism; that Jesus wanted to be Lord of people’s lives, and Graham needed to tell them about it. If from that point forward, Jesus wanted them to participate in the sacraments, that was beyond Billy’s understanding or authority; he just knew he needed to preach the Gospel.
Billy even went so far as to connect, not only with local parish priests, but with bishops and archbishops whenever he deemed it appropriate. When he held his 1989 Crusade in London, he personally called on Cardinal Basil Hume, who accepted Graham’s invitation and attended the rally. Who knows how many Catholics were in attendance, and heard that day that they could remain fully Catholic and have a personal relationship with Jesus at the same time?
Billy Graham: Pioneering Ecumenist
The post-Vatican II era of the Catholic Church, especially in places like the United States, has been marked by a conflicted sense of what it means to be truly ecumenical. How much common ground can Catholic and Protestant leaders reach without appearing to capitulate to the doctrines of the other side? Billy Graham heard criticisms of this type all the time, especially in the latter half of his career.
Who knows what it was that drew Billy to see something in the Catholic Church that so few “Evangelical” leaders before him were unable to see? As Catholics, we have our hopes for all our “separated brethren,” but obviously, Graham never became a Catholic, so whatever his leanings, they never took him all the way to Rome.
Maybe it was the moral clarity of the Church, or its sense of history, or the way it saw the sacraments as a way to level the playing field between prince and pauper that made Billy Graham sympathetic to the Catholic Church. Maybe it was the universality of the Church that appealed to Billy; surely he grasped some sense of it when he saw Christians of every denomination at his crusades. Maybe it was the fact that Catholics didn’t just see Peter’s faith, but Peter himself as the Rock on which Christ founded the Church, and Billy appreciated the fact that a weak vessel like Peter – and even himself – could be used by God. Whatever the case, Graham at least tipped his hand when he remarked, “I feel much closer to Roman Catholic tradition than to some of the more liberal Protestants.”
Billy Graham has passed, and we mourn him as we mourn all the dead; we pray for him as we pray for all the dead. We commend them to the mercy of God, because at the end of everything, it’s not our achievements or social standing or anything else that gets us to heaven but the Cross of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
A good friend of mine, an Evangelical who became Catholic, once told me that after receiving Holy Communion, the prayer he prays comes from the lyrics of an invitational song Billy Graham loved so much that he named his biography after it. I pray them myself from time to time as I approach my Eucharistic Lord; it’s not unreasonable to think Billy prayed them as he prepared to meet the same Lord, face to face, as we all must eventually do:
Just as I am, without one plea,
But that Thy blood was shed for me,
And that thou bid’st me, come to Thee,
O Lamb of God, I come! I come!
Great article, Matt. I love how not anti-Catholic Graham was – that was probably why some of his Baptist brethren threw stones. On a different note, only one space at the end of sentences is needed. Thanks.
Thank you Matt! You really captured the essence and the heart of Billy Graham’s ministry. I couldn’t but help think of the recent depiction of Billy Graham and his conversation with Queen Elizabeth in “The Crown.” He was a common man who had great impact.
Merciful Lord Jesus grant Rev. Graham Eternal Rest
Thats new school or in certson circles. Dont know if academia has gone to one space or not. I assume no
Definitely only one space after a period. There is no distinction for academia.
At probably the world’s most-attended sports arena, the Melbourne Cricket Ground, his 1959 rally’s audience of approximately 135,000 still holds the attendance record for that arena. Christians: 1, Lions: nil.
Amen +++
An absolutely beautiful ulogy of a man who simply and faithfully accepted Christ’s invitation to “Teach all nations.”In one sense, Rev. Graham was a Catholic evangelist because his mission was universal.
I grew up in the world of Archbishop Sheen and Billy Graham. I never heard the sisters say anything against Billy’s Crusades. They saw something there too. I tried to explain that to a young missionary Deacon from Mexico.
Amen.
Nicely done…
I wonder Long Billy will have to Remain in Purgatory .. Is there any way we can get him out early ?
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Not too long.. He was a very holy man. Saved many souls through his preaching.
During Vatican II when my mom had six kids in Catholic schools she became very disillusioned with the heresy in the Church. She listened to him in the 70’s and I know how he helped her to hold on to her Catholic faith. What an amazing man.. Just calling Fulton Sheen the greatest shows he was aware of the Catholic Church and its great truths. Eternal Rest Billy cause you see your Jesus face to face now!!!!!
Well Jesus told the Thief on the cross that TODAY he would be with him in
purgatoryParadise –
And the Apostle Paul obviously make a mistake when he said – To be absent from the body (death) is to be present with the Lord. So God is in Purgatory also ?
This is wonderful news…
Great article, Thankyou! 🙂
Beautifully put.
+ Great article , Matt! Thank you for bringing it to us….such a gift. I had always wondered of Graham’s impressions of the Catholic Church and if he had any communication within. God bless you! +
as a Catholic I say
Bless Billy Graham
a Great American
a Great Baptist
a Great Christian
Yes, Billy was a very holy man, bless him Lord Jesus
He privately understood that the Catholic Church is the real deal but he also understood that he had a mission as an evangelical and boy did he make Christ smile. He is a Saint.
I love that Billy Graham encouraged Catholics to connect with their parishes. I think that distinguishes him from many, if not most, Protestant ministers and gives him a credibility that many lack.
I think that so many Catholics liked Billy Graham because he displayed a clarity and a leadership that our own priests and bishops so often just shamefully lack.
The implication, as I read it at least, in the “across denominational lines” sentence above is that Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity. It is the Protestant world that is fractured into “denominations” and we should be very careful not to imply that Catholicism is part of this breakdown.
Awesome article, Matt! I still remember my dad taking my brother, sister and I to a Billy Graham Crusade at the Anaheim Angels Stadium, probably in 1965 or so. I remember the massive crowds and how strange it was that when he called for people to come forward to receive Christ literally hundreds of people began streaming down the to the field. It was really moving.
While I have always had a certain level of respect for Billy Graham, who, unlike so many TV preachers, at least tried to help people know Jesus instead of being obsessed with money, nevertheless he rejected the Catholic Faith, even though he was obviously not anti-Catholic.
We do not know what happened in those final moments before his soul left his body, we can hope that God granted him the grace of final repentance and the grace to know the truth, and perhaps Graham accepted those graces and died in a state of grace. But maybe not. We should pray for the repose of his soul in case he did get to Purgatory, but this presumption and call for his canonization I see in these comments
is just plain wrong.
Shawn, you write: “We do not know what happened in those final moments before his soul left his body, we can hope that God granted him the grace of final repentance and the grace to know the truth, and perhaps Graham accepted those graces and died in a state of grace.” On the “grace of final repentance” — Yes, a thousand times! I pray that his last thought on earth was, “Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner.” But when you say he also needs to have received the “grace to know the truth” in order to die “in a state of grace” are you saying, essentially, that if he didn’t become Catholic he’s lost?
The Catechism instructs us to accept with respect and affection as brothers those who are born into Protestant communities and grow up in the faith of Christ. It’s clear that Billy Graham loved Christ, believed in God, in the Trinity, in Christ’s redemption through his death and resurrection, in the new birth by the Holy Spirit, in the life of holiness, and so forth. Given the number of Christian denominations that exist and the assumption of sola Scriptura that is engrained in the hearts and minds of Protestants — even those who ever even think about Catholicism — I have such a hard time thinking that unless he received the grace to know that Catholic teaching is true, he would not die in a state of grace.
No one needs your non-Christian hatred.
You have sunk to a new low to use the death of billy graham to promote your sickness and hatred of the Catholic faith.
It is obvious that you do not follow the holy words of Christ.
You god is your own pride and hatred.
Do not waste your time with majik. He is a very anti-Catholic protestants who goes out of his way to insult the Christian/Catholic faith.
Go back to your little channel of hate.
yes the Mentally Ill have again been caught lying to promote their hatred of Christians, sad
this is an anti Catholic who is mocking Billy Graham for being a Christian brother to Catholics
Good article.
In the old days when I was taught Gregg touch-typing in high school. the rule was 2 spaces after a period. He probably learned the way I did.
First, we must indeed respect people who are protestants, but we cannot respect their heretical beliefs. People can debate this all they like, but Jesus was very clear. He founded ONE Church, and only ONE Church, the Church that is His bride that he died for, as St. Paul says. He told his disciples (and Apostles) He who hears you, hears me, he who rejects you rejects me, and rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me. Pope Benedict XV, who succeeded the truly great and saintly Pope Saint Pius X reiterated this fact in different words when he said:
“The nature of the Catholic Faith is such that nothing can be added to
it, nothing taken away. Either it is held in its entirety or it is
rejected totally. This is the Catholic faith which, unless a man
believes faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.” (Pope Benedict
XV, “Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum”, 1914).
Then there is the dogma infallibly defined by Pope Eugenius IV, 1442, at Council of which is very clear on the matter.
Even Pope John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and even Vatican II have affirmed this teaching.
So, do you believe that Billy Graham, or any Protestant, who dies rejecting the Catholic Faith can be saved?
There is only one answer to this question.
If you say yes, you have rejected the Catholic Faith, and of course Christ.
If no, then you show yourself to be in union with Christ and His Church.
It really is that simple.
Good day to you.
Except that Graham opposed JFK when he ran for president because of his Catholic faith.
In Heaven a day is as a thousand years, so we don’t know. All those in Purgatory are in the “presence of the Lord”. Scripture also supports the existence of Purgatory. The Jews also believed in such a place.
Wrong, Wrong, Where is Purgetory mentioned by name in the bible
Is Hell mentioned just once. ? Is Heaven mentioned just once.
show me this doctrine of Purgatory in the bible by Jesus Christ – Opps he forgot to even mention it by name.
There are only TWO JUDGEMENTS mentioned in the bible.
The judgement of the Saints and the Great White Throne Judgement of the Wicked.. the Sheep & the Goats – The Wheat and the Tares
The just and the wicked……….
And who ever’s name was not found in the book of life was thrown into the Lake of Fire.
In other words you don’t believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
the bible says without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness for sins…. How come God forgot to add the word FIRE into that verse ?
If you return to the pictures of 1978 when Billy Graham came to Evangelize Poland you will not see churches filled with people. You will see people up front with a darkenend background. Reason the people were not there. Why/ Answer he did not mention the Blessed Virgin Mary. No honesty Pole would go to a religious service that did not include the Bogurodzica or Birhgiver of God in the talks. In some pictures you will see what you think are Catholic Nuns. No these are the female clergy of the mariavite church. Polands heresy without knowledge. Good man he was but Poles had no interest in the message of an evangelist.
Rev Graham was a great Christian as he worked with many CATHOLICS to spread the Gospel
Majik Imaje Mod five.to.midnight • 2 minutes ago
My Family (Italian) has 50 – 75 members. All of us Catholics
If you are going to quote scripture please do so correctly and do not leave any of the words out as you just did.
For your information Time is a linear dimension of Earth. It is one of the four dimensions we have (Read Paul in Ephesians)
Time is not present in Eternity – There is NO TIME. God is outside of the Time dimension He said: One day with the Lord is like a thousand years.
We have Ten dimensions – 4 of them are knowable – Six of them are accessed by indirect means.
God does not live in Time – there is No time in heaven – it is just One continuous DAY that lasts for Eternity
You left out the TRUTH – We all left the Catholic Church when Billy showed us the Way to Jesus Christ was through the bible – not a church.
Billy will tell you He was never Holy !! Only God is holy or I guess you don’t believe the words of Jesus Christ.
you mock God, and Billy Graham
I forgive you and pray for your soul
this sad soul is here to attack the Church,
@Majik_Imaje:disqus
Rev Graham was a great Christian who was supported by many Catholics, and many of the Bishops of Rome.
Father Graham ?
say hello to Pilgrim Girl
@brbg:disqus
M I , is an anti Christian here to attack the Church
@Majik_Imaje:disqus
You know, all of these catholics are talking about billy being in purgatory (a place of having the quality of cleanses or purify) and this man is supposed to be consider “holy” why would anybody that is “holy” would have to spent time in purgatory if they are w/o sins. “holy” (pious, godly, divine, righteous and sinless) people do not have sins?
Now, the thief on the cross was full of sins and he made it to paradise and by pass purgatory. Does this make any sense? NO!
Another thing, who are they to say where billy is?
I am deeply saddened by the news that Billy Graham has passed away. He was a great inspiration to me and is one of those persons who was instrumental in bringing me back to the Lord Jesus Christ. I know that he is with the Lord now in heaven contrary what these crazy liberals think, may God have mercy on their souls. To Billy Graham I say, “Well done, good and faithful servant, God bless you”.
I am Catholic too and I liked and enjoyed listening to the way Billy Graham preached the Gospel, it was so powerful. It doesn’t matter to me if he was a Protestant because of the way he preached, of all Protestants he was different.
BUSTED… for lying and deception – If you are going to quote me… then be so kind and christian like to include ALL OF MY WORDS.. not just the few you singled out.
Why did you purposely leave out the truth ? Why did you Lie when You told Pilgrim Girl I was Mocking Her.?
At least her and many other people can see through your hate and lies.
I Told the TRUTH and in each instance YOU CHANGED IT INTO HATE.
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as a Catholic , M I, you are my Christian Brother
welcome home to a Catholic Channel
“Amen, Amen, I say to you; Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” – John 6.54,55. What could be more clear than that?
Interesting. I trust the Poles.
So why would a “holy” person have to go into a state of purification of punishment with FIRE & Pain
sad that the anti Catholics must hate Billy Graham for accepting Catholics as Christians
@Majik_Imaje:disqus
Where in my post did I say anti-Catholics hate Billy Graham for accepting Catholics as Christians.
Your reply has no reference to my comment.
I hope one of these Catholics will be able to answer your question w/o being sarcastic, because I would like to know the answer as well.
yes, Christian Catholics believe that Rev Graham was a great Christian Baptist
thank you for coming to this channel to support the Catholic Church,
my Christian brother or sister
Ok, so what does that have to do with my post above?
I accept you as my Christian brother or sister
You’re welcome. Are you able to answer Majik question? Because I would like to know the answer to why woulda “holy” person have to go into a state of purification of punishment with fire and pain? I am sure you have a viable and honest answer to that question.
thank you for your support of the Catholic Church
blessings to you
Ok, I get it. You cannot answer it. The only answer would be, “there is no such thing as purgatory.”
I am out of here.
Bye!
just wanted the readers on this channel to understand the reason for your posts here
thanks for participating
by bye
have a blessed lenten season,
They can’t answer that because Jesus never taught that.
All they do is make excuses for their CULT worship of humans.
No, you were just being very rude and obnoxious.
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And the answer to your other post, Jesus has never observed lent, and neither has the apostles and the early Christians of the true Church of Christ.
So, what have you given up for 40 days? Sins?
Thank you and God Bless you.
You don’t even know what that means because neither you nor any Catholic know anything about the Bible customs and what Jesus was saying there. You and they have taken it out of context, also. I’ll tell you what Jesus was saying: “Unless you are in covenant relationship with me, you have no live nor any everlasting life.” It has nothing to do with eating His body or drinking His blood literally or figuratively. And the only way you can be in covenant relationship with Him is by faith alone through grace. That piece of cracker and little bit of wine are just that (a piece of cracker and a little bit of wine) both before and after the priest performs the magic to “transform it into the literal body and blood of Jesus” (if you could think about it, an impossibility). It’s nothing more than that piece of cracker and little bit of wine. You know nothing about the Jewish customs with regard to covenant making and the occasions they were made as that was what Jesus was referring to – the JEWISH custom of covenant making.
That’s because that pagan practice comes from the satanic Babylonian religion into the Catholic Church as a holy, “christian” practice. It was originally the fast of Tamuz, the god for whom their “Mary” Simeramis was the mother of “the mother of god”. And that fast period of 40 days culminated in his “resurrection” as the blooming of trees and flowers and Spring’s coming and the day was worshiped as “Ishtar” day.
What’s your point? Are you saying that only faithful Catholics go to Heaven? I am a faithful and practicing Catholic and I know that Jesus wants ALL souls to return to Him and be with Him in Heaven, and that Jesus, in His Divine Mercy will see to that if a Soul responds to and chooses Jesus at the end. Remember, Only God is the judge of a person’s soul.
Let me see what St. Augustine said: The bread and wine are symbolic and communion is spiritual.
But Jesus said in John 6:63 that His words were spiritual. then he added – the Flesh profits nothing.
News Flash: God is a Spirit – So is Jesus – Spirits do not contain flesh & blood. Jesus is Omnipresent everywhere. Medical Science & DNA have proven that the communion wafer is water and wheat starch – There is no human flesh or blood.
QUESTION: ?? why must you consult a physician before using ?
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Purgatory is a place where the EFFECTS of sin on a soul is cleansed from a soul, and the soul WANTS to be purified in order to be able to be in God’s Presence in Heaven….”nothing imperfect will be allowed to enter Heaven” (look it up in your Bible) When a soul is face to face with God’s Purity it FLEES because it sees the state of it’s soul and desires to be made pure in order to be able to stand to be in God’s Presence. Purgatory is gift of God’s Mercy to a soul in providing a place to make reparation and to be purified of the attachments it may still have to certain sins it committed in life. Do you know of ANY ONE on earth who is PERFECT? Why in the Bible (Old Testament) does it speak of “certain souls” being prayed for after death? If their soul was in Heaven it didn’t need prayers! If their soul was in Hell prayers would have been useless! Then there MUST be a THIRD place where a soul who had gained Heaven, but needed purifying, to be made perfect so as to be enabled to enter Heaven and be able to withstand being in sight of God’s PERFECTION. As an example of the EFFECTS of sin on a soul, think of a plank of wood (the soul) with many nails (sin) hammered into it. The nails can be removed, but the plank of wood STILL HAS THE HOLES IN IT MADE BY THE NAILS! I hope this makes the teaching of Purgatory a little clearer to you out there that have a hard time accepting this teaching. P.S., The word Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, but (as with so many other of the teachings of Jesus), it is IMPLIED in the parables Jesus used to teach the uneducated people of his day. (and ours!)
MI, you may be sincere in your misguided information regarding the Catholic Faith, but you are sincerely wrong. Hatred comes from fear and fear comes from Satan. God is LOVE. Love takes away all fear. Choose one. You are drinking the acid of HATRED, hoping it will kill your enemy who you perceive to be the Catholic Faith. PEACE BE WITH YOU.
Please explain how come …ALL of my Prayers… ARE ALWAYS answered – Just as Jesus Promised.
I guess you are not aware. Marjorie that “Presumption ” is the only sin listed in the bible that is called GREAT because of all the damage it does.
I have been preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ for 35 years in the Arctic to Eskimo’s.
There are NO CATHOLIC churches in ANY of these dozens of small tiny villages .
Many miracles have been documented and put on Television, Who keeps answering these peoples’ prayers and healing them ??
I was born and raised in your church – I come from a family of over 75 Italian Catholics, Aunts, Uncles, cousins & siblings.. Every single one of us was led to Jesus Christ by the words of Billy Graham and the simple words of the bible.
CHRIST IS THE MESSIAH – not a church or a denomination.
Now when you can explain to me why Jesus Christ has been answering ALL of my prayers for 55 years, I will gladly sit down and listen to you ALL DAY LONG.
Jesus make the PROMISE READ HIS WORDS.
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Jesus is enough and His one time sacrifice alone saved us to an eternity life and to God. There is nothing more you can do to enter God’s Kingdom other than through Jesus Christ. No such thing as purgatory! He took care of it all at Cavalry!
The Greeks thought that when you died – That was it; you ceased to exist. that is also the same thing that the Sadducee’s taught.
Josephus explains to us what the common knowledge of the day represented. We have all heard the stories from all over the world of people dying, And coming back to life – and ALL of them used the EXACT SAME WORDS…. ” I saw a light at the end of a TUNNEL”
Here are the words that explain BOTH TUNNELS……….
Josephus discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades.
this was “common knowledge” ………..
Extract out of Josephus’s discourse to the Greeks, concerning Hades: wherein are contained the souls of the righteous and the unrighteous.
1. And this is the discourse concerning dæmons. Now as to Hades,
wherein the souls of the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is
necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly
finished: a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world
does not shine. From which circumstance, that in this region the light
does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness.
This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls; in which
angels are appointed as guardians to them: who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one’s behaviour and manners.1
2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire.Whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast: but it is prepared for a day afore determined by God: in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men. When the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honour to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men, as to God himself,
shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment: as having been the causes of defilement: while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never fading Kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades: but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.2
3. For there is one descent into this region. At whose gate we believe there stands an archangel, with an host: which gate
when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way: but the just are guided to the right hand, and are led with hymns, sung by the angels appointed over that place; unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world. Not
constrained by necessity; but ever enjoying the prospect of the good
things they see, and rejoicing in the expectation of those new
enjoyments which will be peculiar to every one of them: and esteeming those things beyond what we have here. With whom there is no place of toil; no burning heat; no piercing cold: nor are any briers there: but the countenance of the fathers, and of the just, which they see, always smiles upon them: while they wait for that rest and eternal new life in heaven, which is to succeed this region. This place we call the bosom of Abraham.3
4. But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand
by the angels allotted for punishment: no longer going with a good
will, but as prisoners driven by violence. To whom are sent the angels
appointed over them to reproach them, and
threaten them, with their terrible looks; and to thrust them still
downward. Now those angels that are set over these souls, drag them into
the neighbourhood of hell it self. Who when they are hard by it,
continually hear the noise of it; and do not stand clear of the hot
vapour it self. But when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of aterrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment: and in effect punished
thereby. And not only so, but where they see the place [or choir] of the fathers, and of the just, even hereby are they punished. For a chaos deep and large is fixed between them. Insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted; nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.4
5. This is the discourse concerning Hades; wherein the
souls of all men are confined, until a proper season; which God hath
determined: when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead.
Not procuring a transmigration of souls from one body to another; but raising again those very bodies: which you Greeks seeing to be
dissolved, do not believe [their resurrection]. But learn not to
disbelieve it. For while you believe that the soul is created, and yet
is made immortal by God, according to the doctrine of Plato, and this in time; be not incredulous; but believe that God is able, when he hath raised to life that body which was made as a compound of the same elements, to make it immortal. For it must never be said of God, that he is able to do some things, and unable to do others. We have therefore believed that the body will be raised again. For although it be dissolved, it is not perished. For the earth receives its remains, and preserves them; and while they are like seed, and are mixed among the more fruitful soil, they flourish; and what is sown is indeed sown bare grain; but at the mighty sound of God, the Creator, it will sprout up, and be raised in a cloathed and glorious
condition: though not before it has been dissolved, and mixed [with the earth]. So that we have not rashly believed the resurrection of the body. For although it be dissolved for a time, on account of the
original transgression, it exists still; and is cast into the earth, as
into a potter’s furnace, in order to be formed again. Not in order to
rise again such as it was before; but in a state of purity, and so as
never to he destroyed any more. And to every body shall its own soul be restored. And when it hath cloathed it self
with that body, it will not be subject to misery: but being it self
pure, it will continue with its pure body, and rejoice with it: with
which it having walked righteously now in this world, and never having had it as a snare, it will receive it again with great gladness. But as for the unjust, they will receive their bodies not changed, not freed from diseases, or distempers, nor made glorious: but with the same diseases wherein they died, and such as they were in their unbelief, the same shall they be when they shall be faithfully judged.5
6. For all men, the just as well as the unjust, shall be brought before God the word. For to him hath the Father committed all judgment ; and he, in order to fulfil the will of his Father, shall come as judge, whom we call Christ. For Minos and Rhadamanthus are not the judges, as you Greeks do suppose, but he whom God and the father hath glorified: concerning whom we have elsewhere given a more particular account, for the sake of those who seek after truth.
This person exercising the righteous judgment of the Father towards all men, hath prepared a just sentence for every one, according to his works. At whose judgment-seat when all men, and angels, and demons shall stand, they will send forth one voice, and say, just is thy judgment. The rejoinder to which will bring a just sentence upon both parties: by giving justly to those that have done well, an everlasting fruition: but allotting to the lovers of wicked works eternal punishment. To these belong the unquenchable fire, and that without end; and a certain fiery worm never dying,
and not destroying the body; but continuing its eruption out of the
body with never ceasing grief. Neither will sleep give ease to these
men; nor will the night afford them comfort: death will not free them
from their punishment; nor will the interceding prayers of their kindred profit them. For the just are no longer seen by them, nor are they thought worthy of remembrance. But the just shall remember only their righteous actions, whereby they have attained the heavenly kingdom.In which there is no sleep, no sorrow, no corruption, no care, no night, no day measured by time; no sun driven in his course along the
circle of heaven by necessity, and measuring out the bounds and
conversions of the seasons, for the better illumination of the life of
men; no moon decreasing and increasing, or introducing
a variety of seasons; nor will she then moisten the earth: no burning
sun, no bear turning round [the pole]; no orion to rise; no wandring of
innumerable stars. The earth will not then be difficult to be passed
over; nor will it be hard to find out the court of paradise, nor will
there be any fearful roaring of the sea, forbidding the passengers to
walk on it. Even that will be made easily passable to the just,
though it will not be void of moisture. Heaven will not then be
uninhabitable by men: and it will not be impossible to discover the way of ascending thither. The earth will not be uncultivated, nor require too much labour of men; but will bring forth its fruits of its own accord, and will be well adorned with them. There will be no more generations of wild beasts; nor will the substance of the rest of the animals shoot out any more: for it will not produce men: but the number of the righteous will continue, and never fail, together with righteous angels, and spirits of God, and with his word: as a choir of righteous men and women that never grow old, and continue in an incorruptible state, singing hymns to God, who hath advanced them to that happiness, by the means of a regular institution of life. With whom the whole
creation also will lift up a perpetual hymn from corruption to incorruption,as glorified by a splendid and pure spirit. It will not then be restrained by a bond of necessity, but with a lively freedom shall offer up a voluntary hymn, and shall praise him that made them, together with the angels and spirits and men, now freed from all bondage.6
7. And now, if you Gentiles will be persuaded by these
motives, and leave your vain imaginations about your pedigrees, and
gaining of riches, and philosophy, and will not spend your time about
subtilties of words, and thereby lead your minds into error; and if you
will apply your ears to the hearing of the inspired prophets, the
interpreters both of God and of his word; and will believe in God, you
shall both be partakers of these things, and obtain the good things that are to come. You shall see the ascent unto the immense heaven plainly; and that Kingdom which is there. For what God hath now concealed in silence [will be then made manifest:] what neither eye hath seen, nor ear hath heard, nor hath it entred into the heart of man, the things
that God hath prepared for them that love him.7
8. In whatsoever ways I shall find you, in them shall I judge you entirely; so cries the end of all things.
And he who hath at first lived a virtuous life, but towards the latter
end falls into vice, these labours by him before endured shall be
altogether vain and unprofitable. Even as in a play, brought to an ill
catastrophe. Whosoever shall have lived wickedly and luxuriously may repent. However, there will be need of much time to conquer an evil habit; and even after repentance his whole life must be guarded with great care and diligence. After the manner of a body, which after it hath been a long time afflicted with a distemper, requires a stricter
diet, and method of living. For though it may be possible, perhaps, to
break off the chain of our irregular affections at once: yet our
amendment cannot be secured without the grace of God; the prayers of good men; the help of the brethren; and our own sincere repentance, and constant care. It is a good thing not to sin at all: it is also good, having sinned, to repent. As it is best to have health always, but it is a good thing to recover from a distemper. To God be glory and dominion for ever and ever, amen.8
CHRIST IS THE MESSIAH – He shall save the people from their sins.
That is what the word Messiah means – That is what the Bible Testifies to.
Jesus promised unspeakable Joy and Peace – not flames of suffering that he cannot help you with.
The doctrine of purgatory says that the family members must save their loved ones from purgatory not Jesus Christ.
I just opened a new thread on this very subject on DisQus – The Gospel of Jesus Christ
I have posted the entire Purgatory Doctrine word for word from a Catholic Web Site – Not one verse of scripture to verify this teaching.
This doctrine the Apostles did not teach. State of Grace – Treasuries of Grace
Majik Imaje is not a Catholic
but an anti Catholic who comes here to attack Catholics
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the anti Catholics are here, they are upset of Rev Graham’s defense of the Catholic Church
Ken, I see that the Anti Catholics have landed here,
this is a good channel and a good discussion
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“pagan practice comes from the satanic Babylonian religion into the Catholic Church”
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“you were just being very rude and obnoxious”
because I am a Catholic?
I am a sinner, are you with out sin?
Pope Saint John Paul II was a great Pole, and evangelist
“That piece of cracker and little bit of wine are just that (a piece of cracker and a little bit of wine) both before and after the priest performs the magic to “transform it into the literal body and blood of Jesus” ”
what is your Christian denomination?
as a Catholic, your anti Catholic posts are offensive and not Christian
@Majik_Imaje:disqus
@justfedup52:disqus
the Archbishop Sheen is a Son of Illinois, born in El Paso , Illinois and the Diocese of Peoria,
Rev Graham attended Wheaton College, Wheaton Illionois, we claim him too!
he and Rev Graham are and were and will always be great Christian brothers.
I was raised near El Paso, so I am a bit biased for Archbishop Sheen
amen
I’m glad you asked that question. I always like to brag about my Jesus and what He did for me. But you know nothing about my “denomination.” I’m in the Blood Bought Born Again, All My Sins Are Washed Away, Depending Only On Jesus For My Salvation, On My Way To Heaven in the Rapture “denomination”. Hallelujah! Jesus saved me and cleansed away my sins when I was one of the most despicable characters in the world. He made me a Child of God and God deigned to call me His son and allowed me to call Him my Father. It overwhelms me to know that the Creator of the universe brought me into His family and has made me an heir with all the saints to rule and reign with Christ. I’m not worthy of that but His great love was poured out on one such as I and I love Him. And I’m going to be with Him forever. I can hardly believe it. I feel like shouting with joy! Hallelujah! Do you know Him?
as a Catholic, I pray that you find our Christian God Jesus Christ
I forgive you
Amen! Amen!
as your Christian Catholic brother, on this Catholic Channel.
I wish you and @just_mat:disqus
a blessed Lenten Season
I gave up expecting that the Anti Catholics believe in the words of our Christian God Jesus Christ,
I pray for them and forgive them
have a blessed Christian Lenten season
do you reject Easter, as too Catholic ?
It is not because you are a catholic, it is because it of who you are. It is part of your personality.
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Glad that you admit you are a sinner, are you saved and know for sure you will go to Heaven when die?
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I am a sinner and I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die, because of my faith and trust in Jesus Christ.
I celebrate Resurrection Day. I don’t do the easter baskets, bunnies, carrots etc. etc.
I am glad that you follow our Christian faith of the resurrection of Jesus on Easter Sunday
Yes I am a sinner,
I am glad that you are here, and want to learn about the Christian Catholic faith
welcome Home
Yes Pope St John Paul was a good evangelist. Billy Graham was a good evangelist. My point is in 1978 and today in 2018 Poles will not follow an Evangelist who does not mention the Birthgiver of God role of the Mother of God. My comment mentions to reach the mind and heart of a Pole you can not not mention the role of the Mother. Jesus is the King of Poland and Mary is the queen of Poland. The question lies not in Evangelism but the content of evangelism.
Poland is a very Catholic Country,
the Poles are strong in their Catholic Faith in our Christian Lord Jesus Christ
God bless your Christian Catholic mother,
have a blessed Lenten Season
You need to back off and stop trolling me. If you want to be a Christian then start acting like one.
I am happy that you are here on a Christian/Catholic Channel
Ok then. You ask for it.
It is not harassment of Catholics, it is pointing out the truth of how gullible you people are.
And you are an anti Christian.
as a Christian/Catholic I forgive you
have a blessed Lenten season
Practice what you preach!
Then why do you keep harassing the true Christians?
I forgive you for being so obtuse. Unfortunately you cannot fix stupid. There is no cure for it.
No you don’t. You do not know how to forgive because you are not a true Christian.
I am glad you are here, welcome home
welcome home, my Christian brother
I appreciate your posts, welcome home
thank you for being here, welcome home
tell us all , is the Catholic Church a Christian Church?
What are you talking about?
Yes, why would you ask?
It is a long story.
My father used to like listening to Billy Graham also. :^)
I’m not finished boasting about my Jesus. I don’t have to observe the “Catholic Feasts and Fasts” because my Jesus has set me free in the Holy Spirit to love and enjoy Him daily. And I don’t have anything to relent (feel sorry for) since my Jesus has has washed away ALL my sins and the consequence of them (hell). I’m going straight to heaven, no detour. So, I don’t have to observe lent. It’s all been taken care of when Jesus said, “IT IS FINISHED (in the Greek, “Paid in full).” Nothing more has to be added to it. Hallelujah! Praise God for His Blood and His Righteousness!
He has made me GLAD and JOYFUL in His presence. I walk with Him and I talk with Him and He tells me I am His own. And the joys we share as we tarry together there, no Catholic has ever known. I have the blessed assurance that Jesus is mine. I have a living relationship with my Jesus that I can experience every day all day. We talk together as friend to friend. I sing to Him and “He sings over me in rejoicing” (Zephaniah 3:17). When I sin, I can tell him directly how sorry I am and He forgives it and washes it away completely. He has given me a guarantee that I will be with Him in heaven with no waiting should I die before the Rapture. But either by death or by the Rapture I’ll be with Him forever. I wish everybody had that guaranteed assurance and joy. Do you? Do you know Him?
BTW, I don’t need your forgiveness. I have Jesus’ Blood and Righteousness and I’m already forgiven and sanctified and on my way to heaven. I have a living relationship with Jesus and with God, the creator and Father of Jesus. I wish everybody did. Do you? Do you know Him?
Good point, Majik. I agree with you on the concept of Time in God’s heavenly kingdom. Mankind has always needed the sun to mark time on earth, but in Rev 22:5, And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
have a blessed Lenten Season and a Happy Easter
I agree , even if the anti Catholics reject us as Christians
Billy Graham made me a stronger Catholic by his loving way he spoke about Jesus. It’s true. He reminded me of old school Marianist priests who taught us in high school.
You say you were one if the most dispicable people before you found your Jesus. You still seem pretty dispicable and the complete opposite of Graham.
So after the passage you quoted some of the disciples rejected the blood and body of Christ. They said it was a hard thing to accept. Jesus sent them away.
If he had only meant being in covenent with him why would that be so hard?
Rest in peace Sir, you brought us all closer together & the world is a better place because of Christians like yourself!
You are so right. In my own right, and my own righteousness, I am despicable, vile and worthy only of hell. However, IN JESUS, I’m beloved of God, I’m God’s total righteousness, I’m I am washed clean from my sins and I’m on my way to heaven. He became sin that I might be HIS righteousness. He was rejected by God on the Cross, that I might be accepted as one of God’s own beloved children. He died that I might live eternally. He took the punishment for my sins that I might be forgiven completely and without having to add anything to it. Glory to His Name! He rose again from the dead so that I might be guaranteed eternal life. He’s coming back to take me home to the wedding feast and to live in Father’s house with Him forever. Don’t you wish you had that absolute assurance? Don’t you wish everybody did? Do you know him? It’s not so hard to do. But it will cost you something. It will cost you to kill your pride and give up all notions that anything in your or any religion will save you. It will cost you to come to Him just as you are and receive Him by faith alone with nothing added to it. It will cost you to trust only in His grace to save and keep you. It will cost you to have to KNOW Him. Again, do you know Him?
You didn’t answer my question on transubstantiation?
Thank you Matt! Such a great article showing how well Billy Graham interacted with the Catholic Church. Also thank you to the admins for deleting negative anti Catholic comments.
My Jesus isn’t a liturgical dead Jesus that needs transubstantiation or consubstantiation, but He’s alive and He lives with me and in me and we have sweet communion all day nearly every day because we’re in covenant. If you can’t understand covenant relationship, then it’s not my problem. My Jesus made a marriage covenant with me at the “Last Supper” and He sealed it with His Blood. He told me to wait and watch because He’s coming back to take me to Father’s house where he has a magnificent mansion for me. I have a memorial covenant meal with just Him often to remind me that I am His and He is mine. And He has promised me that I will rule and reign with Him after the wedding in heaven feast that will give the final consummation of that covenant. If you don’t have such a covenant relationship, as He said, you don’t have life and the only alternative to not having life in Jesus is death (eternal death). Don’t you wish you had a covenant relationship? Do you KNOW Him?
You still didn’t answer the question….
I did answer you from a truly Biblical perspective. If you can’t see it, it’s not my fault. My Jesus isn’t an object that you can argue about, nor does He have anything to do with any arguing points. My Jesus is the King of Kings the Lord of Lords and He’s with me every day all day. I don’t need to … ascend into heaven? (…, to bring Christ down from above:) … descend into the deep? (…, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) (Rom. 10:6-7) offered up on the cross every week or oftener and thereby crucifying Him again and again and again.
My Jesus was taken off that cross and then rose from the dead and ascended into heaven where He waits for the word to come get me and take me home to Father’s. My Jesus made the great exchange.
I’m worthy only of being rejected but My Jesus accepted me and made me not only His friend but His brother. I’m worthy only of death but My Jesus game me life and that life is eternal. I’m worthy only of hell but My Jesus gave me heaven. I’m worthy only of hatred but My Jesus let me know that how much He loved me and that if HE loved me that much, I ought to not hate myself, ever. I’m worthy only of judgment and punishment but He took that judgment and punishment in my stead and gave me His righteousness.
That’s what I got from being in covenant with Him. And as I said before, I often have a covenant meal with Jesus at my dining-room table just Him and me. Don’t you wish you could be in that kind of covenant with Him? Don’t you wish everybody could? Do you know him?
This was a great bit of info
“I have posted the entire Purgatory Doctrine word for word from a Catholic Web Site – Not one verse of scripture to verify this teaching.”
I replied above, giving a link to an article that gives scriptural references.
Please read that.
Jesus Christ said to the thief on the cross – TODAY you will be with me in Paradise – he didnt say purgatory
in Luke 16 the beggar died and angels carried him to Paradise
the church is lying about Purgatory – there is no such place
Quit saying that Jesus is a liar – the church is the one who is lying
God says Lying is one of the seven deadly sins. God says ALL liars go to Hell
the church says lying is a venial sin and does not need to be confessed
so once again the church is saying God is wrong. Why does the Catholic church lie so much about God ??
I believe the words God spoke – I do not believe the words of the church because they contradict God !
God is the Final Authority not the church
Manic Illness is an anti Catholic who uses Jack Chick as a reference of the Church
@Majik_Imaje:disqus
It is hard for the unbelievers to even have an inkling of the relationship that is possible with Jesus.
I often talk to him for hours at a time. I sit in my chair and communicate with Him.
When I have a problem, I tell him about it, describe it and ask for His help. It is amazing how often a new, bright idea pops into my head with the solution to my problem.
One lesson that I keep trying to learn is to ask Him first, particularly in the case of something I have “lost’. Usually, I will look around for the missing item, then I will ask my wife if she has seen it. I will then look in the same old places over and over. I will try to remember where I last saw the object, or last used it. I will go on in frustration for quite a while. Then I will suddenly remember that HE is with me….I will sit down and start talking to him, often about other things, but I will tell Him (though He already knows). I will praise Him for saving me, Praise him for my aches and pains and everyday problems. Finally I will run down. Then, usually, I will remember where I last used it, or saw it, or put it…..Then I will go look (probably somewhere where I looked 3 or 4 times before. Then, I will find it.
I am sure that most people reading the above will think I am crazy, but Mat, I know you know exactly what I am talking about.
God Bless You.
AMEN, I can relate to that 100%. God bless you, brother.
I am the same as you Poppo – I spend all day talking to Jesus Christ as though He is sitting right beside me – this goes on 7 days a week every waking moment of every day. Constant communication with him.
Catholics say one hail mary an Our Father or two add a rosary during the week and think they are “holy”
Jesus will say to them. I never knew you
But you only know your Jesus through the Bible. Without the Bible there is no record of your Jesus. At some point you should read the Bible and listen to what the guy said
Great article. Billy graham was a dynamic preacher, incredibly intelligent, and his approach to reaching out those in need was amazing. That being said, it is true that anti-Catholic bias is the oldest, strongest prejudice in the U.S. even to this day and is on full display here in the comments section of this article. Sometimes the first step in coming home to the Catholic Church is re-establishing oneself in the faith community where they are comfortable. After time, hopefully they will come to realize that Jesus founded one visible church, that church declared which books should be accepted as scripture, that the teaching of the apostles (both oral and written) with the clear guidance of the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals and not the teachings based on one’s own fallible interpretation of scripture should be their guide. How dare some commenters assume that Catholics have no relationship with Jesus. We receive Jesus’s body, soul, and divinity into our very bodies at every mass. I cannot think of a more intimate relationship than that.
I agree with you , when you said that your heart is a toliet
@just_mat:disqus and @Majik_Imaje:disqus are anti Christians here to attack the Church
Matt, Billy Graham took a tremendous amount of heat from a number of fundamentalist leaders when he included Catholic priests at the altar call. As a teen, I was sitting at breakfast with the CEO of the Graham Association when one such call came in to that gentleman. The caller, whose name is universally recognizable (but I will not disclose), used the most hostile and even vulgar comments about Dr. Graham. Interestingly, the CEO was the only person I ever knew who, as a Protestant, recognized Catholics as Christians. In a way, he had had a hand in my own conversion to the Catholic Church in 2008. Dr. Graham was a great man, with the highest level of integrity, who consistently lived the faith as he knew it.
The Church has defined ex cathedra, three times in fact, that there is no salvation outside the Church. So, yes, only “good” Catholics (which Graham could have been and hopefully did become before he died) go to heaven.
you are a coward manic
amen
Yet God still continues to answer my prayers. Thank You Jesus..
You were just “banned” again by another Mod on another channel.
You have the Disqus Record for being banned from so many channels.
We will still keep you in prayer for your anger / hate management issues.
You ain’t Christian & You ain’t even a Catholic. Zero 4 Two is pitiful
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AMEN! My Jesus IS the Jesus of the Bible and apart from the Bible, there is no knowing Him. And I listen to what He said. He said, “My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.” (John 10:27), and ” I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10). My Jesus is “Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6). My Jesus is “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Revelation 19:16), ” and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Furthermore, I am to “Fear not, for I am with you; Be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” (Isaiah 41:10). With all these promises and assurances how can I help but shout for joy. I believe I will. HALELLUJAH! For the Lord God Omnipotent Reigneth. HALLELUJAH! Don’t you with you had that kind of assurance and those promises? Don’t you wish everybody did? Do you know Him.
YouTube miracle of lanciano and also Eucharistic miracle of Buenos aires. I was P entecostal my whole life until I researched early Christianity. Turned my world upside down and the Eucharist was the final key. Please research it with no bias and seek the truth no matter what the cost. God bless my friend I hope you see what I have.
1 Corinthians chapter 3
We do not think that way. You are peddling a discriminatory stereotype.
Facts are facts – deal with it.
amen
this is just jack chick theology of those who hate the Church
Perfect summary. They are unable to enter into an argument with the goal of reaching the truth. Their playbook goes all the way back to the vulgar rantings of Martin Luther.
the anti Catholics come out in force, they never have a Christian denomination, and their goal is to separate Catholics from their faith, I do not think that they serve Jesus Christ
well I’ll just say this, who has the authority to interpret scripture rightly? You? Me? Our own inspiration of the “holy ghost” which all denominations claim yet all interpret differently. The Spirit of God and truth CANNOT contradict Himself, that’s impossible. That’s a question many people cannot and will not answer. Question everything, even your own denomination, even if it’s
Non denominational. When fid it start, who started it? What do they teach, is it sound doctrine and if it is what’s the basis and standard that you measure it to be sound? These are good and real hard questions. I would suggest researching Christianity from it’s beginning to now diligently my friend. God bless you
Billy Graham was an heretic, according to the council of Trent, he is burning in Hell, or at best Purgatory. The problem with saying “he is in Heaven with our Father”, is that, you are saying there are many ways to Heaven, and that the Catholic church is just one of them. If that is your point of view, then what is the point of being Catholic? Might as well be Baptist, like Mr. Graham. I won’t dare say that he is in Hell, but his LACK of teaching will lead one to Hell. Only, though the Holy Sacraments, can we be saved form Hell, per many Popes, council, priest, bishops & church fathers.
Wrong. The first Protestants that left the Catholic Church are considered heretics. People born in a Protestant faith today are considered separated brothers and sisters in faith because of their baptism which makes them a member of the body of Christ. If they are invincibly ignorant of the truth claims of the Catholic Church then they indeed will be judged by God based on the graces that were bestowed upon them. This is why after Jesus taught the Pharisees he said that before they were instructed they were innocent of their sins but now that they know they will be held accountable. If you are Catholic, which I doubt, you would know these things.
Like Jesus,it stemmed from Judaism.and the Cathoilc church,became the first christian church of the,….world,…
amen
thank you and amen,
I am a Catholic of the Latin Rite, and know that the vast majority of non Catholic Christians, are my Christian brothers and sister,
the anti Catholics are just a small fringe, who never have a Christian denomination
As a life-long Southerner and a cradle Catholic, I loved Rev. Graham. The clarity of his message and his humility touched me profoundly. There were those in my life who questioned how as a Catholic, I could believe and listen to him. I told them, “Graham speaks more truth about catholic (small c) doctrine, than often Rome does. His simple message is this: HE loves you and you are forgiven.” There is nothing more universal, more appealing, or more Catholic (large C and small c) than that. Rest in Peace humble servant. I pray for the repose of his soul.
Only One True Faith. Roman Catholic!
God bless pax2u for having to put up with all these posts that warranted deletion.
thank you, it is so sad to see the Rev Graham attacked because he considered Catholics to be his Christian brothers and sisters
blessings to you
From the 1583 Catechism. I don’t see where it says, “separated brothers”.
WHOM DO YOU CALL A CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC MAN?
Him that has received the Sacrament of Baptism, whereby he is made a member of the Catholic Church, & does profess in heart, word, and deed, the wholesome doctrine of Jesus Christ & of the Catholic Church, AND DOES NOT CONSENT NOR AGREE TO ANY STRANGE SECTS, OR OPINIONS, THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES DISAVOW OR CONDEMN.
HOW, OR BY WHAT MEANS ARE YOU MADE A CHRISTIAN?
I Am made a Christian, first by the special grace of God in me, & his mercy: whereby (when I was a servant of the devil & wrath) by Baptism he has received me, to be his child by adoption, when I could neither discern, nor know it by my age. And also, now by his special inspiration and grace (as firmly I believe) he hath persuaded this thing in my mind, and made me certain, that this faith, and doctrine of Religion, which I do hold and believe, he has revealed in the Catholic Church, which has been taught of Christ, & his Apostles, and their successors to this day. And I am persuaded, that same faith & doctrine, only to be true, & that it shall continue to the end of the world: BUT ALL OTHER SECTS, FALSE RELIGIONS, AND HERESIES, WHICH HAVE RISEN FROM TIME TO TIME, TO BE PERNICIOUS, HURTFUL AND DAMNABLE.
Ronald Reagan was a murdering sociopath who fornicated and committed adultery. He is frying in HELL. I don’t know about Archbishop Sheen and would have to research if he covered up the sexual torture of children as is the custom of criminals like Bernard Law of Boston. If he did, he is no saint but yet another filthy pedophile enabler.
Horrible man. Taxidermy would have suited him better than a state funeral. I’m glad he’s dead.
Your rock called. Time to come home and crawl back under.
Your priest called. Time to open wide and swallow.
How can I? Your mom already has a mouth full. Oh, the dry cleaner called and your white hood and robe is ready for pick up.
Your priest called again. Time for a mouthful of Savior. Open wide and swallow.
You’re repeating yourself. Sure sign of low intelligence. Seems like you have an oral fixation.
Your bishop called again. His poll numbers are falling faster than an altar boy’s pants in a Catholic rectory.
The Russian judge gives you zero points for creativity. Oh, Domino Pizza called. They don’t deliver to your rock and they don’t accept KKK coupons anyway.
The pope called. He wants you to know the difference between a Catholic priest and a zit. A zit waits until puberty before it comes on your face. The Russian judge is giggling!
Thank you from the depths of my Catholic heart.
Billy Graham WAS the Christian Church
So was Bishop Sheen and John XXIII.
They are SORELY missed.
What a man this was that always encouraged my soul towards Christ Jesus! He is a saint in my eyes, and I am Catholic