On this episode of Deep in Christ, JonMarc Grodi and Brother Rex Anthony Norris continue their discussion of the spirituality of 12 Step recovery programs with step #5: We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

They discuss the connections between this step and the sacrament of confession, the value of accountability and vulnerability in close friendships, and how we like Mary, “magnify the Lord” in the way we love one another despite our imperfections.