Do we need the Church, or is the “Jesus and me” theology of many modern Christians enough?
A growing majority of Christians today believes that all that is necessary for salvation is an individual’s faith in Jesus. Mega churches everywhere proclaim this “Jesus and Me” theology, built around a simple application of John 3:16, belittling the need for membership in any religious community, the practice of any rituals, the reception of any sacraments, the submission to any leaders, or the adherence to any set of doctrines. Salvation is merely by faith alone in Jesus alone by grace alone. But is this biblically, theologically, and historically sound? This book argues, from the perspective of a biblical hermeneutic or interpretation of continuity, that salvation has always involved more than this simplistic expression of modern individualism.
“Former Presbyterian pastor Marcus Grodi shows how the New Testament is hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is made manifest in the New. In What Must I do to be Saved? he explains how God’s plan of salvation unfolds in the Jewish religion and is fulfilled in the Catholic faith. An indispensable tool for Catholics discussing their faith with Evangelical brothers and sisters.” — Fr Dwight Longenecker
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This ” one save always save” is a lie being fostered by the evil one as well as the sinner’s prayer. I know people that have fallen to these tools Satan uses laughing all the way!
They are very dangerous statements that the ignorant think they are saved by. Saint Peter warns of when using Scripture to find ONE’s own salvation and of the writings of Paul , many are lost! Your book is a God-sent.
Yeah…as always, I need Biblical proof that the Bible is wrong inre this issue, Ray.Disprove Acts 4:12, uttered by the one you attempt to appropriate as your first”pope”, and your point is made.This post you sent is practically incoherent; what ARE you talking about??
Not quite. We need Biblical proof that you are correct in this issue. After all, you came along 1800 years after Christ established his Church.
You can’t use the Bible as your benchmark because that is our book. The NT was written by the first members of the Catholic Church. So if you are going to use the Bible, you are in fact validating the authority of the Catholic Church.
Sigh…I’m going to answer this issue from the only place it can be answered, I.e., Holy Writ, written by baptized Jews between A.D.45-90, NOT”catholics”. (Really, MarcAlcan? Really? ), but it’s late, so…I do find it somewhat suspicious that so far, no Biblical basis has been given as to why the concept of”lost salvation”is valid:No verses. No Biblical passages at all, partial or entire.No philosophical or logical reason as to how eternal life is in fact NOT eternal…I can give two fatal flaws with the so-called”lost salvation”concept right off the bat without even using Scripture, just simple logic:(1),it would make Almighty God powerless and unable to keep His own promises, or worse, One who reneges on said promises, and (2), the idea of losing one’s salvation takes the focus off The Saviour alone and puts it on weak, fallible, sinful humanity, who, if indeed they were charged with somehow keeping themselves saved, would no doubt be lost, as though their eternal life was the spiritual equivalent of a set of keys or an Iphone.Indeed, when Jesus claimed in John chapter 6 than…”of all that the Father has given me, I WILL LOSE NOTHING, but will raise them up at the Last Day”…,there is no logical reason anyone can give as to why we shouldn’t trust His Word on that. As I stated in another post I have believed and trusted My Saviour’s promises regarding my being saved and having eternal life for 38 years, and have NO doubt that HE…”Will never leave nor forsake me”…What I find so sadly ironic inre your position MarcAlcan, is that for all your peurile boasting that the Bible is YOUR Book, you neither trust it, believe it, or understand it. (Wow. Your Book.I looked, but I’ve yet to find”Property of the Roman Catholic Church”stamped on Holy Writ. Is it in Greek, perhaps? Seriously, dude. What IS wrong with you? )–At any rate, as I’ve already stated, unless you can exegete”lost salvation”from within the pages of YOUR Book (LOL!), all you can offer is guesswork, theory, speculation, and worst-case scenarios that have NO BIBLICAL BASIS, PERIOD . PEACE OUT, my friend. Verses for eternal life upcoming.
Partly right and partly wrong.
Some of the NT were written by baptised Jews (Matthew, Mark and John and the Letters) but the Gospel of Luke was written by a baptised Gentile.
These baptised Jews and Gentiles were the first members of the Catholic Church.
Remember this: The Church came first. Then Scripture was written by the members of that Church.
Well it seems you are comprehension challenged. If you recall I did say that the argument is not for lost salvation but the concept of salvation itself. Your understanding of what salvation is about is deficient (being once for all) hence the idea that when we question your view, you think we are arguing for lost salvation. Do take time to read that as it might elude you once again.
Or you completely misunderstood what the promise was in the first place.
St Paul says: “See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom. 11:22)
Indeed. Because those whom His Father gives Him will eat his His Flesh and Drink His Blood. This is the condition for being raised upon the last day, see verses 48-59.
Let me guess, you do not do that do you?
Indeed we can trust His word. It is your misrepresentation – and bad exegesis- of His word that we can’t trust.
And unless you improve your reading and comprehension, you will forever be tilting at windmills just like Don Quixote.
It’s really funny that you accept the Bible that the Catholic Church gave HA, HA, HA
Oh and another thing.
Christ established the Catholic Church in 33 AD. Yours started probably in the 1800s. How remote is that from Christ?