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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 05:36 pm |
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Switching to Catholic Terminology
GRACE
P: grace
C: grace, sanctifying grace, actual grace, sacramental grace, special graces
from page 881 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
GRACE: The free and undeserved gift God gives us to respond to our vocation to become His adopted children.
As sanctifying grace, God shares His divine life and friendship with us in a habitual gift, a stable and supernatural disposition that enables the soul to live with God, to act by His love.
As actual grace, God gives us the help to conform our lives to His will.
Sacramental grace and special graces (charisms, the grace of one's state of life) are gifts of the Holy Spirit to help us live out our Christian vocation. (1996,2000; cf.654).
It might be helpful for Dave, David, or Rick to give us a few paragraphs on how these play out in a Catholic's life. Or perhaps you will prefer to give us an URL.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 06:00 pm |
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| I'm always confused about all the different graces, myself. I wouldn't try to write about that, but would refer folks to the Catechism or Fr. John A. Hardon's various books, such as The Modern Catholic Dictionary or Pocket Catholic Dictionary (the latter is on sale for 1 cent on amazon!!)
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 06:27 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote:
I'm always confused about all the different graces, myself.
Wow, Dave. That makes me feel a little better. In the early months of my formation, one priest used to quiz me about those forms of grace. I think I'm at least really clear now on sacramental grace. 
Apart from that, though, there's still something in me that wants to say, "Grace is grace."
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Posted: Mon Apr 21st, 2008 06:49 pm |
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I approach theology more in terms of concepts, as opposed to words. That's why I'm not very deep into the Thomistic way of learning, which has a huge emphasis on minute differentiation of terms. It's great stuff (and I have extreme admiration for St. Thomas: don't anyone get me wrong!); just not my cup of tea.
I'm more of a Socratic, which goes back to Plato, in contrast somewhat to the particularism of Aristotle. Both schools are valid and valuable, but folks tend to be more in one camp than the other. The Catholic faith is large enough to incorporate many different approaches and philosophies: all equally Catholic.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 11:38 pm |
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Intercessor wrote:
I don't think we had a Baptist version of the Hail, Mary, did we? 
You called it Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42
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Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Intercessor wrote:
I don't think we had a Baptist version of the Hail, Mary, did we?
You called it Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42
 You are so right, Andy.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 12:07 am |
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P: Studying the Bible amidst much rpayer.
C: Lectio divina.
Incidentally:
Catholic says, "I practise lectio divina."
Protestant (after the Latin is translated) hears, "I practise Vatican-oriented Scripture-voodoo."
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 12:31 am |
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Hidden One wrote:
P: Studying the Bible amidst much rpayer.
C: Lectio divina.
Incidentally:
Catholic says, "I practise lectio divina."
Protestant (after the Latin is translated) hears, "I practise Vatican-oriented Scripture-voodoo."
 You guys are smokin' hot tonight.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 12:40 am |
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Well, there's always the obvious.
Catholci says, "I'm a lifelong Catholic totally on fire for God. Daily Mass, the Saints, the rosary, all good. I'm actually considering the priesthood. ... By any chance, have you ever read The Four Witnesses by Rod Bennett? How's about The Ascent of Mount Carmel? The first one is all about the early church, and the second is this sweet guide to morality and really falling deeply in love with God and becoming really holy."
Protestant hears, "I'm totally damned, and exceedingly proud of it. ... Here, would you like a completely fabricated tract so you can go to Hell with me? How about a copy of Going to Hell for Dummies?"
That was too easy. Too often too true, and definitely too easy.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 01:14 am |
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At the end of prayers
P. In Jesus (Holy) Name, we pray
C. Through Christ our Lord
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 01:20 am |
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Or, C: In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Amen.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 01:29 am |
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| I think this is a good thing, but I'm starting to have trouble remembering, sometimes, how I said certain things, as a Protestant.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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CajunRick wrote:
[Under Canon Law, the pastor is responsible for the physical plant. He may have advisors, but it is his responsibility along with officials in the diocese.
Actually, our polity is somewhat similar. Ultimately, the Elders are responsible for everything that happens at the local body. They are responsible both to the local congregation (who elect the Elders) and the District Executive (who can dissolve the Elder board). We, as Trustees, serve at the pleasure of the Elders and, technically, we don't make decisions, we make recommendations.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 05:18 am |
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| The above reminded me, somehow, of an incident at First Baptist Church of Richmond, VA several years ago. As you may know, the governing board of local Baptist churches is the Board of Deacons who have a number of duties. For years, during the monthly (not often enough I have always felt) Communion service, the Deacons would have prayer for confession of sins before everyone together took the bread and then a prayer of thanksgiving before everyone together took the cup. Anyway, this one older Deacon was doing the prayer of thanksgiving that day. Not sure how he became a Deacon because apparently he didn't know his Baptist doctrine. He started to pray and prayed, "Lord, we thank the for they HOLY SACRAMENT of Communion which we this day receive...!" Amused and puzzled as well, I couldn't help opening my eyes and I saw the Pastor (the Minister who leads the church) looking at the Deacon in utter SHOCK! In fact, he had just about fallen off his chair, up there just to the side of the Communion table! I had to surpress a snicker! After the service, I noticed the Pastor animatedly talking with the Deacon and, not long after that, the Pastor took over the prayers at Communion! Oh well!
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 10:33 pm |
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CajunRick wrote:
But what is the Protestant term for bingo? 
Where I came from?? Sin
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:33 am |
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Unless I missed them in the 4,568 replies above, how about:
1. Discerning my vocation (to religious life, to marriage, to the single life) - it's the "discerning" that sounds Catholic.
2. My parish (instead of my church).
3. Nicknames for parishes (St. V's, St. B's, St. Pat's, BVM) - I don't think I've ever heard a Protestant refer to their church in a shorthand way, although it's hard to shorten up "First Methodist" and Protestant churches aren't usually named after saints anyway, except for Lutheran ones and they don't seem to abbreviate them).
4. Our "Blessed Mother" in a normal descriptive conversation. Protestants would normally always just say "Mary."
5. The "Joseph and Mary" sides of the church (the right and left, respectively, to line up with where the statues usually are). As in "Look for me on Sunday, I'll be about ten rows back on the Joseph side."
6. Parish missions instead of revivals.
7. Calling any prayer by the first couple of words, an ancient tradition. The Our Father (as mentioned above), the Hail Mary, the Glory Be. I am amused by the idea that the Sinner's Prayer commonly said in some Protestant churches could be renamed the "I am a Sinner."
8. And last but by no means least, "offering it up." Silently and cheerfully bearing a cross to join with the sufferings of Christ. I am sure there must be a Protestant equivalent, but I can't think of one just now. Anyone? Bueller?
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:39 am |
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rbo4u2 wrote:
CajunRick wrote:
But what is the Protestant term for bingo?
Where I came from?? Sin
Then, Rich, you will well understand why I wanted the bingo equipment covered before my Baptist relatives arrived for the confirmation reception.
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Posted: Thu May 1st, 2008 01:47 am |
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Unless I missed them in the 4,568 replies above, how about:
1. Discerning my vocation (to religious life, to marriage, to the single life) - it's the "discerning" that sounds Catholic.
3. Nicknames for parishes (St. V's, St. B's, St. Pat's, BVM) - I don't think I've ever heard a Protestant refer to their church in a shorthand way, although it's hard to shorten up "First Methodist" and Protestant churches aren't usually named after saints anyway, except for Lutheran ones and they don't seem to abbreviate them).
4. Our "Blessed Mother" in a normal descriptive conversation. Protestants would normally always just say "Mary."
5. The "Joseph and Mary" sides of the church (the right and left, respectively, to line up with where the statues usually are). As in "Look for me on Sunday, I'll be about ten rows back on the Joseph side."
8. And last but by no means least, "offering it up." Silently and cheerfully bearing a cross to join with the sufferings of Christ. I am sure there must be a Protestant equivalent, but I can't think of one just now. Anyone? Bueller?
P: finding God's will for my life
C: discerning a vocation
Protestant nicknames for churches--typically Baptist Church would be dropped. First Baptist Church might be referred to simply as First, especially between Baptists, although sometimes First Baptist would be used. Other names are usually shortened to the key word(s).
I've learned something tonight. Didn't know about the Joseph and Mary sides.
Baptists don't speak of offering anything up since the belief is that Christ's work on Calvary was complete without our participation.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 08:20 pm |
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(I don't know what the policy is of bringing up old threads, so forgive me if I shouldn't post to this two-month old thread.)
Protestant: the 'body of Christ" - the people in the Church
Catholic: ???
I'm assuming that "body of Christ" is only used when talking about the Eucharist...is that correct?
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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 08:33 pm |
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MissMusicTeacher wrote: (I don't know what the policy is of bringing up old threads, so forgive me if I shouldn't post to this two-month old thread.)
Few threads are ever locked. As long as it's not locked, you are free to post to any thread.
Protestant: the 'body of Christ" - the people in the Church Catholic: ??? I'm assuming that "body of Christ" is only used when talking about the Eucharist...is that correct?
Actually, we use the term "body of Christ" to refer both to the visible Church and to the Eucharist. When speaking of the Eucharist, we often say "Precious Body" so as to avoid confusion.
As you become more familiar with the forum, you'll find several discussions of the "either/or" nature of Protestantism compared to the "both/and" nature of Catholicism. This is an example of "both/and" where the term "Body of Christ" refers to both the Church and the Eucharist. St. Paul also used the term "Body of Christ" to refer both to the community of believers and to the sacrament.
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