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But what is the Protestant term for bingo?  :tiptoe:


Apostasy!

Sorry... that was my inner BoJo... sometimes he just kind of slips one out there when I'm not paying attention.

Back to the topic at hand...

A Catholic convert from Pentecostalism once clued me into something that really nailed a lot of this down for me...

When a Protestant says "faith" they mean "faith, hope, and love." By "faith" we *certainly* don't mean "intellectual assent" as in "we are saved by simply intellectually assenting to the proposition that Jesus is the Son of God and nothing else." When we talk about faith, we mean something that's down in your heart as well as your mind. It's "belief with passion" if you will. It's not just something we accept. It's something we're personally invested in.

Another thing that slipped me up for a long time when talking to Catholics is that what I mean and what you'ns mean by "salvation" are two different ends of the same process. When we say "I'm saved" that means "I'm justified." If you were to say, "I'm saved" you'd mean that you're perfectly sanctified and already in heaven with Jesus and that would seem just about as presumptuous to us as it would to you. It's obviously not just a semantic issue, but a lot of confusion could be avoided if we were all more precise with our language.

Finally, what's catholic for "pot luck"?


Actually, I'm not sure we call it anything because we're just not that social. In my parish, you normally have to pay for anything above a doughnut (or at least have a free will offering handy for the K of C or the Rosary Society).

Oh - I loved the comment about your "inner BoJo." I have one too, and he eats Jack Chick tracts like popcorn.

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Something Steven said, above, reminded me of an amusing incident involving my brother. He lived in the Richmond area with my wife and me for a few years, back in the '80s, while he worked here. He used to toss all his spare change into a grocery bag meaning to do something with it, but never getting around to it.  One day, I was in his room chatting with him when I noticed his "change bag" which was, by that time, stuffed to the brim with thousands of coins, mostly pennies.  I said, "You know, the government tends to frown upon coin hoarders, ha, ha!  You really oughta do something with all your change!"  He said, "Yeah, but what should I do with it?!" I suggested, "Well, maybe you could stick it in the 'poor box' at your church!" He liked that idea, so he started taking big pockets full of change to church with him and dumped it in the poor box at church. He was down to the last of the change when, one Sunday, at his church (his church had some connection with some local nuns who helped out there), when the Priest happened by and saw him dumping the change in the poor box.  The Priest laughed and said, "Uh oh! So YOU'RE the one! Better sneak on out of here quick before the Sisters see you!!!"  Turns out that the Sisters had been having to roll all these massive amounts of coins my brother had been putting in the poor box! They were happy that they were able to donate the money to activities helping the poor, however, they were NOT happy about having to sort and roll these several thousand coins my brother was dumping into the poor box! Ha, ha!  :eyeroll:


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Finally, what's catholic for "pot luck"?


Pot luck. :D  At last, we find common ground.  It just took food to get us there. :)

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True Image wrote:


Finally, what's catholic for "pot luck"?


Pot luck. :D  At last, we find common ground.  It just took food to get us there. :)

Anne


Indeed. Nothing unites like a good hot-dish.

Little know fact about the book of Galatians: The original manuscript for chapter three ends with "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. Here, have some seven-layer salad."


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I've heard parish bingos referred to as Catholic Gambling (casinos). But I often caught the same wiseguys buying cartons of their favorite cancer stix along with their lottery scratch tix, aka "fool's tax" several times over!

Well, it IS April 15th!



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"Participating in the celebration of the Mass" used to be called "assisting at Mass." Nowadays if you say that people assume you are an EOM or some such important person.



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David W. Emery wrote: Ah, but you had the sinner’s prayer. A Catholic would speak of the Confiteor or the Act of Contrition, would he not?
But don't Eastern Christians use the sinner's prayer on beads, sort of like Latins use the Rosary?



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True Image wrote: Finally, what's catholic for "pot luck"?
Pot luck. :D  At last, we find common ground.  It just took food to get us there. :)

Actually, "covered dish" is more common here, Catholic and Protestant.

I miss our church fairs.  We actually used to have as many Protestants working the booths as Catholics!



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Annie wrote: "Participating in the celebration of the Mass" used to be called "assisting at Mass."
And before that it was "attending mass".  The priest used to "say mass".  Now he celebrates it!



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P:  Sermon

C:  Homily

P: Pulpit

C:  Ambo

P:  Flower table

C: Altar

P: How many services does your chruch have on Sunday?

C:  How close together can we schedule masses on Sunday so as to NOT have a riot in the parking lot in between?

(I never saw anyone BACK into their parking space at the baptist church:  lots of people do this at my Catholic church:  better to make a quick get-a-way?)



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I never backed in anywhere before I became Catholic- then after my first Sunday I  back in too:roflol: it isn't for the quick getaway as much as for just plain not running over parishioners- wouldn't look good if I mowed 'em down right?:oops::oops:



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Steven Barrett wrote:
Looks like I'd better brew up another batch of coffee because it looks like Becky thinks I might've strayed off a bit with my multiple calls for Latin,

Off to brew the coffee!




Only a bit, Steven; it was just a loving, gentle Smiley from a bleary-eyed gal who probably needed a strong cup of coffee herself. You'll know you've strayed big-time when Rick threatens you with the alligator and time in the dungeon. Yep, it's happened to me more than once, I must confess.

Back to the topic now -- back to the topic now -- let's see---

Wow, I'm so tickled with all these great entries, guys! Keep them coming as long as you think of new ones.


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I've heard parish bingos referred to as Catholic Gambling. . .

When I logged on, I was going to add that very thing, Steven. You beat me to it. :D When I was preparing for my confirmation reception, I asked that it be covered so that my already traumatized Baptist relatives wouldn't be further stressed by evidence of Catholic Gambling.



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Speaking of terminology when I was a dumb 17 year old in Bangaldesh I met up with some Evangelical peace corp volunteers, they took me with them to a "worship" meeting in someone's home- It was different:shrugging: but any how one of them came up to me and asked when i was born again. I had NEVER heard of such a thing and said 1957 ( yeah everyone is doing the math right now eh:roflmho:). Clearly NOT the answer she expected!:eyeroll:



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Lyell wrote:
P:  Flower table
C: Altar


(I never saw anyone BACK into their parking space at the baptist church:  lots of people do this at my Catholic church:  better to make a quick get-a-way?)


Lyell, somebody brought two vases of flowers (to which I was allergic) and placed them right in front of the special perpetual adoration monstrance at the Marian shrine. Because I (and most others) usually choose a front and center seat during private adoration, that week I moved the two vases of "pesky" flowers onto the altar, thinking it was just a table. Actually, it is just a table, from appearances; but I learned quickly the error of my ways and the rules about flower tables used as altars. :shock:

About the backing in for Catholic parking lot spaces, I assumed it was because of not wanting to back up over the many children who tend to run out behind vehicles. There aren't enough parents in each family for every child to be grabbed by an adult.

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P:  Tithe
C:  Stewardship of Time, Talent, and Treasure



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P: stewardship campaign

C: parish rummage sale (parish yard sale)



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This one is tricky because it doesn't apply to all flavours of Protestants, but stay with me here:

C: Saying the Our Father

P: Studying the Lord's Prayer.

Honestly, throughout most of my life I never knew that you could just simply pray the Our Father. I think I was almost 40 before I heard anyone pray it in the last evangelical church I attended. We were always so afraid of falling into "form prayers" and "vain repetitions."



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In regards to baptism for children:

P: Christening

C: Baptism

 

For those protestants who do not believe in infant Baptism they have a "dedication" which in essence is giving their children to the Lord.  What I think is funny is that they claim we Catholics are going outside the Bible when we have our children baptized, but where in the Bible is the "Dedication" ceremony?  The Bible clearly states that whole households were baptized, but it doesn't talk about dedications of children.


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Here's a toughy...

I'm a Trustee at my local church. That means I'm on the committee that oversees the physical plant of the building. We make sure the lights stay on and the heat's working. In a couple of weeks we're putting up a new system of catwalks on the roof so the HVAC service people won't fall off and break their necks in winter.

What's catholic for Trustee?

PS - That reminds me, please be in prayer for us. An Elder who happens to own a construction company is lending us a 40' boom lift for that project. Since nearly everybody involved in the project is either 70+ or busted up in someway, the lift will be greatly appreciated, but none of us really know how to use it. We've been assured that it's not as hard as it looks, but prayer would be appreciated.

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BeProf wrote: I'm a Trustee at my local church. That means I'm on the committee that oversees the physical plant of the building. We make sure the lights stay on and the heat's working. In a couple of weeks we're putting up a new system of catwalks on the roof so the HVAC service people won't fall off and break their necks in winter.

What's catholic for Trustee?

Under Canon Law, the pastor is responsible for the physical plant.  He may have advisors, but it is his responsibility along with officials in the diocese.

Remember that Catholic churches are not owned by their members but by the diocese, which is the legal corporate "umbrella" operated by the bishop as CEO.  His designated representative in the parish is the pastor, who serves as "manager" and is fiscally responsible for the operation.

Also under Canon Law, a pastor must appoint a Pastoral Council and Finance Council to advise him on all aspects of parish life (including the physical plant), and some parishes have a paid business manager, but ultimately the responsibility is the pastor's.



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Becky said:  "When I was preparing for my confirmation reception, I asked that it be covered so that my already traumatized Baptist relatives wouldn't be further stressed by evidence of Catholic Gambling."

Imagine my *shock*:shock: when I walked into my first Catholic "pot luck" (or whatever it was) and saw wine being served.  On church premesis, yet!. 

In my years as a baptist (etc), I had never seen anything alcoholic anywhere on church premesis.  And then they had the nerve to serve champagne at the reception after the Easter vigil for all us RCIA people!

I think I am straying off topic onto the Culture Shock part of becoming Catholic. Which reminds me:

P:  I joined the church

C:  I became Catholic.


 



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Here is a cute observation from Catholic writer Jeffery Dennis, specifically about the Blessed Virgin Mary, concerning how Catholics and Protestants define or understand theological terms and phrases differently:

Protestants, particularly those in evangelical denominations . . . have been raised to regard any sort of veneration as idolatry . . . Mary is mentioned in Protestant churches only during Christmastime, in reference to the manger of Bethlehem, and perhaps occasionally at Easter . . . she has no special role to play in the Christian story . . . Many of the dogmas of the Catholic Church, while profound and vigorous spiritual truths, are couched in technical theological language that sounds quite bizarre to Protestant ears. Here is what your Protestant friend may be hearing when you try to explain the Blessed Virgin the way she was explained to you:

The Catholic says: Mary is ever-virgin.
The Protestant hears: Mary is a pagan earth-goddess. (The non-Catholic remembers the vestal virgins of Rome.)

The Catholic says: Mary was conceived without sin.
The Protestant hears: Mary is the equal of Jesus. (He remembers that Jesus was sinless.)

The Catholic says: Mary was assumed into heaven.
The Protestant hears: Mary is the equal of Jesus. (He remembers that Jesus ascended into heaven.)

The Catholic says: Mary is Co-Redemptrix.
The Protestant hears: We don't feel that Jesus is adequate for salvation.

The Catholic says: Mary is our intercessor.
The Protestant hears: We don't believe that Jesus can do it all.

The Catholic says: Mary is the Mother of God.
The Protestant hears: Mary gave birth to God the Father. (He uses the word "God" to refer only to God the Father.)

The Catholic says: Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
The Protestant hears: Mary is God's wife. (Since God is the King of Heaven, Mary must be His wife.)

These interpretations may sound ludicrous and blasphemous, but they are exactly how your Protestant friend will interpret your words. Raised in a world without saints, he cannot conceive of spiritual contact with anyone but a god. You will leave him with the unfortunate misconception that Mary is the chief goddess of a Roman Catholic pantheon, and that Jesus has a minor, almost negligible, role in the Catholic plan of salvation . . .

("Introducing Mary to Protestants," in The Catholic Answer Book of Mary, edited by Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Huntington, Indiana: Our Sunday Visitor, 2000; 88-91; quote from 88-89)

 



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Lyell wrote:
Imagine my *shock*:shock: when I walked into my first Catholic "pot luck" (or whatever it was) and saw wine being served.  On church premesis, yet!. 

In my years as a baptist (etc), I had never seen anything alcoholic anywhere on church premesis.  And then they had the nerve to serve champagne at the reception after the Easter vigil for all us RCIA people!



I understand your surprise. Adds a whole new dimension to "fellowship hall," doesn't it?


Thanks again to all who have helped create such a great list of terms.

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Here is a cute observation from Catholic writer Jeffery Dennis, specifically about the Blessed Virgin Mary, concerning how Catholics and Protestants define or understand theological terms and phrases differently:

Protestants, particularly those in evangelical denominations . . . have been raised to regard any sort of veneration as idolatry . . . Mary is mentioned in Protestant churches only during Christmastime, in reference to the manger of Bethlehem, and perhaps occasionally at Easter . . . she has no special role to play in the Christian story . . . Many of the dogmas of the Catholic Church, while profound and vigorous spiritual truths, are couched in technical theological language that sounds quite bizarre to Protestant ears. Here is what your Protestant friend may be hearing when you try to explain the Blessed Virgin the way she was explained to you:

The Catholic says: Mary is ever-virgin.
The Protestant hears: Mary is a pagan earth-goddess. (The non-Catholic remembers the vestal virgins of Rome.)

The Catholic says: Mary was conceived without sin.
The Protestant hears: Mary is the equal of Jesus. (He remembers that Jesus was sinless.)

The Catholic says: Mary was assumed into heaven.
The Protestant hears: Mary is the equal of Jesus. (He remembers that Jesus ascended into heaven.)

The Catholic says: Mary is Co-Redemptrix.
The Protestant hears: We don't feel that Jesus is adequate for salvation.

The Catholic says: Mary is our intercessor.
The Protestant hears: We don't believe that Jesus can do it all.

The Catholic says: Mary is the Mother of God.
The Protestant hears: Mary gave birth to God the Father. (He uses the word "God" to refer only to God the Father.)

The Catholic says: Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
The Protestant hears: Mary is God's wife. (Since God is the King of Heaven, Mary must be His wife.)

These interpretations may sound ludicrous and blasphemous, but they are exactly how your Protestant friend will interpret your words. Raised in a world without saints, he cannot conceive of spiritual contact with anyone but a god. You will leave him with the unfortunate misconception that Mary is the chief goddess of a Roman Catholic pantheon, and that Jesus has a minor, almost negligible, role in the Catholic plan of salvation . . .

("Introducing Mary to Protestants," in The Catholic Answer Book of Mary, edited by Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Huntington, Indiana: Our Sunday Visitor, 2000; 88-91; quote from 88-89)

 



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