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kidminuszero
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Posted: Mon Mar 31st, 2008 11:55 pm |
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Hi everyone.
I'm a little leery about posting, afraid someone may expurgate my comment. Anyway, here it goes.
In the Catechism reading #659, it states: "Jesus' final apparition ends with the irreversible entry of his humanity into divine glory, symbolized by the cloud and by heaven, where he is seated from that time forward at God's right hand."
Scripture quoted to back up this statement is Acts 1:9. But if you continue to read verses 10 and 11, especially vese 11b it states: "This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will return in the same way as you have seen him going into heaven."
To me, in my limited knowledge and flaw opinion, CCC 659 should not state "irreversible entry of his humanity into divine glory."
Jesus' glorified body is both human and divine (which we just read in the reading #88, Catechism 645). At His 2nd Coming we, who are still on earth, will see him as He left (Acts 11b).
1st Timothy 2:5 states "For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human."
So Jesus still maintains his human nature, and is not irreversible.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
 Kid.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Apr 1st, 2008 12:55 am |
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kidminuszero wrote: I'm a little leery about posting, afraid someone may expurgate my comment.
I doubt that seriously. Any sincerely posted comment is welcomed here.
So Jesus still maintains his human nature, and is not irreversible.
Remember that the human nature of Jesus is irreversibly joined to the Divine Nature of the Son of God. The symbol of the hypostatic union used by the Church is the joining of the water and wine at the offertory of the mass. Like the water is inseparable from the wine, the human nature of Jesus is inseparable from the Divine.
So it is irreversible because it is irreversibly joined to the Divine.
In other words, it is irreversible not because of the humanity of Jesus, but because of the Divinity of Christ, to which the humanity of Jesus is irreversibly joined..
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DrDave
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 12:07 am |
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kidminuszero wrote: Scripture quoted to back up this statement is Acts 1:9. But if you continue to read verses 10 and 11, especially vese 11b it states: "This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will return in the same way as you have seen him going into heaven."
To my mind, the trick to understanding this apparent disconnect bewteen "irreversible entry of his humanity into divine glory." and "This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven will return in the same way as you have seen him going into heaven." is this.
Jesus will not exactly "leave" heaven when He returns, rather he will bring Heaven with him, and "heaven will be wedded to earth" "and there will be a new heaven and a new earth" so again, as Catholics we're stuck with that "both/and" that Marcus seems to be so fond of ;-)
Regards Doc
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