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Posted: Wed Jan 17th, 2007 05:08 pm |
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I hate to disappoint you, but for fifteen centuries the Pope dressed just like any other Bishop until St. Pius V became Pope in 1566. He was a Dominican and he simply decided to keep his white Dominican habit.
Thanks to Fr. Robert Goedert, O.P.
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Posted: Thu Feb 1st, 2007 10:25 pm |
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Isn't white also the color worn by the Norbertines?
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Posted: Thu Feb 1st, 2007 11:12 pm |
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curmudgeon66 wrote: Isn't white also the color worn by the Norbertines?
Yes, and by other orders, too. It is commonly worn in the tropics by missionaries of almost any order.
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In Singapore, all the priests weare white at all times. It's tropical all right!
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What's the significance of the red shoes worn by Popes? I was wondering if it has something to do with the "bloody path to Calvary" or 'feet that bring Good News also have to suffer' as did Christs whose feet were in the end covered with blood on a cross. Any thoughts?
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Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 01:14 pm |
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Why does the Pope wear red shoes? Because they look better than the Corona flip-flops I go around town in.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11th, 2007 01:09 pm |
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 04:39 pm |
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White goes with everything. No clashing in those photos next to the American tourist in the Hawaiian shirt, plaid shorts up to the armpits, black knee socks and sandals.
And it bleaches so much more easily than boring ole' black.
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Not that Rick can't dress the way he wants when he visits the Pope.
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Tina in Ashburn wrote: Not that Rick can't dress the way he wants when he visits the Pope.
When the Holy Father summons me, I will wear a face of glory as I kneel to kiss his ring. I will be so thrilled no one will be able to tell how I am dressed.
But if his summons comes soon, he'll have to send the plane ticket, too.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2007 09:34 am |
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| Nice sentiment but the guards won't let you enter without more on you than a "face of glory". Just a thought...
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I don't seem to be allowed to post a new topic on this particular site, even though I'm logged in, so I'm tagging it along with this one. I hope someone discovers it.
I am, right now, watching the events of the Pope's visit - at this point he is celebrating Mass at the Nationals Stadium in D.C.
Why does he wear the large golden hat, and also the red shoes? Sorry this is so banal, but I'm just wondering. Thanks.
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abbycat wrote: I don't seem to be allowed to post a new topic on this particular site, even though I'm logged in, so I'm tagging it along with this one. I hope someone discovers it.
I am, right now, watching the events of the Pope's visit - at this point he is celebrating Mass at the Nationals Stadium in D.C.
Why does he wear the large golden hat, and also the red shoes? Sorry this is so banal, but I'm just wondering. Thanks.
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Not sure about the red shoes although some discussion about that was posted above. As for the hat, I think, if I am not mistaken, that the hat is supposed to represent the "tongue of fire" of the Holy Spirit. I am also guessing that it pointing upwards points our thoughts to God. Probably also looks less tacky than a Washington Nationals baseball hat too, ha, ha!
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CajunRick wrote: Tina in Ashburn wrote: Not that Rick can't dress the way he wants when he visits the Pope.
When the Holy Father summons me, I will wear a face of glory as I kneel to kiss his ring. I will be so thrilled no one will be able to tell how I am dressed.
But if his summons comes soon, he'll have to send the plane ticket, too.
Yeah, good CajunRick, I think that the Holy Father might prefer that you wear some clothes in addition to your face of glory! Um, even so, wonder if he would have his security people kick me out if I showed up in an orange University of Tennessee hat and sweatshirt?! 
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AggieCatholic wrote: I hate to disappoint you, but for fifteen centuries the Pope dressed just like any other Bishop until St. Pius V became Pope in 1566. He was a Dominican and he simply decided to keep his white Dominican habit.
Thanks to Fr. Robert Goedert, O.P.
Well, I think that he oughta wear orange with a big, white tau cross on it! Attachment: TennFlag.jpg (Downloaded 105 times)
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I hope he's wearing Pin Stripes on his Home White(s) on Sunday in The Stadium.
But no red loafers. Those colors belong to another team a hundred miles to the east of me; team with a pagan fan with the nerve to place an occult-like symbol in The New Yankee Stadium.
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| Yeah, I think that the Pope would look great in pin stripes! By the way, I heard on the news that they are gonna make the construction worker who put that baseball jersey in the concrete pay for the cost of having it dug out!
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abbycat wrote: I don't seem to be allowed to post a new topic on this particular site, even though I'm logged in, so I'm tagging it along with this one. I hope someone discovers it.
You should be able to post. Just click the "New Topic" link at the top of any forum.
As for your question, the pope traditionally dresses in white (to represent purity) with red accessories to represent the blood of St. Peter's martyrdom. He traditionally wore a gold crown shaped sort of like an inverted bowl at formal occasions.
I think Pius XII was the last to wear the crown, although it might have been John XXIII. Recent popes have chosen not to wear the red shoes but Benedict has returned to using them. As for the hat, he likes hats, and I guess the gold color is symbolic of the crown popes used to wear.
Some things are traditions, and some are preferences. There is no reason the pope, if he chose, could not wear an Elvis-style jump suit (although it wouldn't exactly suit the dignity of the office). After all, he's the guy who makes the rules, so he can change anything that is not doctrine whenever he wants. And things like shoes and cassocks are certainly not doctrine.
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Hi Rick ... thanks for the info. And, for some reason, on this portion of the forum only I can't post ... it keeps telling me to log in, when I am already logged in ... so I go again to log in, and it just sends me round and round. Strange.
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abbycat wrote: Hi Rick ... thanks for the info. And, for some reason, on this portion of the forum only I can't post ... it keeps telling me to log in, when I am already logged in ... so I go again to log in, and it just sends me round and round. Strange.
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abbycat wrote: Hi Rick ... thanks for the info. And, for some reason, on this portion of the forum only I can't post ... it keeps telling me to log in, when I am already logged in ... so I go again to log in, and it just sends me round and round. Strange.
Abby, a helpful user pointed out to me that this is in the 'Did You Know' area, which is the one forum in which only moderators are allowed to start a new topic. When we set this area up, it was with the intention of preventing the posting of questions. There are ample other areas for that, and we can move things here if desired and/or requested.
'Did You Know' was intended for "Catholic trivia" and no so much substantive issues that are best posted elsewhere, and indeed members are not permitted to start a new topic in this area alone.
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Maybe it was a misprint from Genesis, let there be Light, and there was (white?). I should get paid for these jokes. heehee.
With Our Holy Father in THE USA: what a great week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm of the non-infallible opinion (only because I don't have my floppy onion-skin and well-beaten bible at hand) that the Pope wears all white in order to distinguish himself as the only truly infallible cleric (who also doesn't have to carry a bible with him at all times in order to prove his infallibility -- which even he (i.e. the Office of the Holy Father) uses only sparingly only a couple of times in a couple of blue centuries -- according to his church's laws -- which he doesn't misuse or proof-text scripture at will to change to suit his fancy and -- to prove his infallibility --- from all those blow'd dried, over-packaged cheshire cat heeler-preachers wearing the worst collection of polyester'd "suits" to ever to come out of the lowest of low-brows' low-budget clothing catalogue or hellish notion of a haberdashery.
And wouldn't you know it, just like the Pope's theology, The Holy Father's not under any pressure to constantly upgrade his garb to meet the latest trends for "reflecting pastoral leadership skills to meet these awesome and exciting times ahead." You won't see the Pope saying Mass in St. Peter's wearing khakis and a white golf shirt emblazoned with his papal seal, not to mention, having "Benedict 16" embroidered across the bottom of such computer-generated stitched-in seal. (No plans to replace mitres with golf caps or visors either.)
You won't see the Holy Father wearing Hawaiian shirt, either. (They haven't built a Popewoody for the beaches yet to feature on the shirts.)
BUT, somewhere along the line, somebody's going to be called on to "defend those red Prada loafers." For one, he's the Pope out of respect for him, we don't mind wearing the necessary manure-kickers when it comes time to answer such mind-pondering inquiries. And, you can try this -- it's right in their strike zones:
Tell them it's a private and personal relationship he has with a shoe salesman in Rome. Even popes have that right, although it can't be "proven" in Acts anymore than St. Peter's successor is a Bavarian, not Gallilean, by birth.
Frankly, I'd rather explain the infield fly rule to cannibals any day than why the Pope wears what he wears to any hard-core evangelical.
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Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2008 12:36 am |
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and theres me thinking hes just funky !
also whats this about pin stripes? I am struggling with the subtelties of american culture me thinks
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It's a Yank thing. And I don't mean just Yanks n' Brits. I was referring to the famous New York Yankees baseball home uniforms which feature Navy-blue pinstripes. Other teams imitate the Yankees, (well certainly not their arch-rivals, the momentary champion, Boston Red Sox) and put stripes on their home uniforms, but only the New York Yankees carry the stripes with such clout and panache.
And, since the Yankees are also the wininingest team in pro-sports history, 26, (count'em all Red Sox fans) World Series Championships during the late-last century, and Yankee Stadium is their home field, that's the connection I was making with the Pope's visit.
I noticed with considerable mischievous glee that the folks responsible for making sure The Stadium was worthily presentable for the Holy Father, appropriately enough, didn't cover up the notation painted on one of the balcony walls the (ahem, that solemn) reminder to all that the Yankees aka "Bronx Bombers" won 26 World Series Championships.
The Holy See was quite sportsmanlike and certainly even ecumenical to a degree by scheduling a Papal Mass in the new National's Stadium in Washington, but a Papal Mass said in Yankee Stadium is like a Mass sung in the Vatican. The Church is universal and we are all equal before the Almighty, but we acknowledge the Vatican's and St. Peter's special places in our hearts, minds and souls. (Likewise, so should American baseball fans never fail in recognizing the same concerning the special respect and awe we should have for Yankee Stadium's place in our National Pastime. (I'm going to GET IT for having saith such.)
In many respects being a Yankees fan in New England is like being a Catholic in some parts of this country and many other parts of the world. What do I care? Far better being hated for being a member of the ONLY Church directly founded by God Himself (through Jesus), and on an admittedly lower plane, fan of THE greatest sports franchise in history. We're hated, but it's by far better being hated for what's best than "respected" for buying into what's most popular, albeit shallow, or simply what's available.
What I offered was (a hypothetical) informal suggestion of a gesture of hospitality/gift. Winning teams in other sports appear with our president and present him a home jersey with a number appropriate to that president's personality, character or place in history. For instance, the (cough, sputter, moan, sigh, and a few tears shed by this New England Patriot's american-style football fan) New York Giants presented Pres. Bush with a jersey with his presidential number (43) recently during a ceremony held in the WHite House's Rose Garden. No matter who's the head of state, it's a well-deserved honor. (Excuse me, let me back up to clarify my views by saying the damn Giants LUCKED OUT.)
So, that's why I humorously suggested that Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, albeit a good Prussian Lutheran, offer Benedict a "pin-strip'd" version of the Papal (home white...wherever the Pope says a Mass, it's always the home field, ... save for Boston's Fenway Park for the Red Sox) "uniform."
See what we did with cricket? I'll grant you though, because of cricket's popularity enjoyed throughout your Commonwealth/former Empire, your international matches make for the winning team's championship a real "world series" pennant to unfurl during year's opening day ceremonies.
BTW, welcome to the Church n' Forum. I've seen some of your questions and you raise a lot of good points. I really loved your zinger on Tony Blair's conversion. But I'm -- as we say in yank baseball sport's lingo --stepping too far off base and in danger of getting picked off by the pitcher. 
And as for politicians, I usually save my high and inside brushback pitches for other threads. (But please don't aske me to explain the "infield fly rule.") Anymore than I can explain (much less) understand how, besides family connections, a former owner of a mediocre major league baseball team playing in what used to be "farm league" country, a dud in his family's oil family tradition, go on to become a so-so governor of the Sunbelt's biggest state (his kid brother was guv of the 2nd biggest, Florida) and then move up to the White House, etc.
Politics IS stranger than sports, and maybe even religion, sister. Much stranger!  
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Maybe it's a sort of symbol of "whitewashing" so we don't worship him?
JUST a joke, folks . . . the background is when the Protestant iconoclasts used to whitewash ornate walls in Catholic churches and put Scripture verses on them.
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