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Posted: Sun Mar 25th, 2007 11:16 pm |
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The last three days of Holy Week are known as the Easter Triduum. They are the most solemn days of the year. Each day is unique in the liturgical year.
Holy Thursday: Only two masses are allowed on this day
Chrism Mass: This special mass takes place at the diocesan Cathedral. It features the blessing of the Holy Oils (Oil of Catechuments, Sacred Chrism, Oil of the Sick). The Ordinary (principal bishop) of the diocese is the main celebrant, and the priests of the diocese are concelebrants. As part of this mass, the priests renew their promise of obedience to the bishop as head of his diocese. Originally held on Holy Thursday morning, the Chrism Mass may now be rescheduled for a more convenient time when more of the faithful can take part.
Mass of the Lord's Supper: The priest vests in white for this mass, which celebrates both the institution of the Holy Eucharist and the beginning of the Lord's Passion. The Triduum begins with the intoning of the Gloria in Excelsius Deo, which includes the ringing of the church bells for the last time until the Easter Vigil. After the homily, the priest may reenact Jesus' action of washing the feet of his apostles by washing the feet of some of the men in the parish, representing the twelve apostles. (Many parishes will have both men and women "apostles" but this is not technically correct.) The mass ends not with a blessing, but with a solemn procession to a place of Repository, where the Eucharist is exposed for a time after mass. All are encouraged to spend time with the Lord in adoration, in response to Jesus' question, "Could you not stay awake with me one hour?" as he began his Agony in the Garden. From the end of the Mass of the Last Supper until the Easter Vigil, no mass is said in any Catholic church on earth.
Good Friday: A day of penance, fast, and abstinence. It is appropriate that the day be spent in solemn reflection on the passion and death of our Savior. No mass is said on Good Friday for any reason.
Service of the Lord's Passion: A special prayer service, one of the oldest in the history of the Catholic faith, takes place traditionally at 3 p.m., although the time may be adjusted for pastoral reasons. This service begins with the priest, vested in red, laying prostrate before the cross. Good Friday is the only day on which we genuflect to the crucifix as the symbol of our salvation. The Service of the Lord's Passion has three parts.
The Service of the Word -- including the reading of the Passion of the Lord according to John. This portion ends with the ancient prayers of petition, at which we pray for our world, our church, ourselves, the Jewish people, our separated Christian brothers and sisters, those who do not believe in God, our political leaders, the sick, the poor, and everyone else.
The Service of the Cross -- Jesus crucified is slowly exposed to the congregation while the pastor sings, "This is the wood of the cross on which hung the Savior of the world" and we respond, "Come, let us worship." Individual veneration of the cross is encouraged, by kissing the feet of Jesus or by another appropriate method.
Communion Service -- The Eucharist in the form of the Precious Body of Christ, consecrated at the Mass of the Lord's Supper on Holy Thursday, is distributed to the faithful in the usual way.
The Service of the Lord's Passion may be repeated for pastoral reasons. Communion may also be brought to the sick at any time. Many parishes will also schedule a Way of the Cross on Good Friday evening.
Holy Saturday: By ancient tradition, no mass may be said on Holy Saturday. Communion may only be distributed as Viaticum to the dying.
The Easter Triduum ends with the intoning of the Gloria in Excelsius Deo at the Easter Vigil, at which time the bells ring out a joyous proclamation of the Savior's Resurrection.
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Posted: Sun Mar 25th, 2007 11:23 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: ..... at which time the bells ring out a joyous proclamation of the Savior's Resurrection.
In my parish, the people are encouraged to bring bells to join in the celebration. However, if they don't have any bells they encourged to jingle their keys. 
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Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2007 07:57 pm |
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Rick, thank you for giving us this information. It is helpful to me.
Last year I went Service of the Lord's Passion at my parish. The processional started with the carrying of a whip, followed by a cat-o-nine-tails, crown of thorns, and, finally, a cross. Watching the procession stirred me to the depths of my soul. In all my years as a protestant, I had never seen anything like it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 11:41 am |
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Rick,
Thanks so much for posting this. After reading your post, all I could think was, "How beautiful is the Catholic faith!" God Bless you for your ministry (I know, Protestant term, but you know what I mean ) here on the CH Network. I never knew before being part of this network, how beautiful the Catholic faith is. It is the best kept secret in the world! And when one begins to discover it, it is like finding a pearl of great price. Now, could that actually be what Jesus meant in that parable? I never thought of it that way till just now. How glorious are these moments of enlightenment and revelation! I'm having quite a few of them on my journey toward the Catholic Church. Praise His name!
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 01:08 pm |
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Darlene wrote: God Bless you for your ministry (I know, Protestant term, but you know what I mean ) here on the CH Network.
Thank you for the blessing, but I never thought of ministry as a Protestant term. It was a Catholic term long before there were Protestants.
I never knew before being part of this network, how beautiful the Catholic faith is. It is the best kept secret in the world!
Amen! It is like a head of cabbage; the deeper we get, the more there is to discover. And most of us know only the tip of the iceberg that protrudes in our own parish Churches. We have little knowledge of and exposure to Eastern Christianity and theology, through our sister Churches in the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox and Oriental Catholic and Orthodox worlds; the "other lung" of the Catholic faith, as John Paul II called them.
And when one begins to discover it, it is like finding a pearl of great price. Now, could that actually be what Jesus meant in that parable? I never thought of it that way till just now.

And the amazing thing is if you leave yourself open to the totality of the faith, you will never stop finding new pearls!! Much (most) of the early theology of the Church is Eastern in origin; opening oneself to Eastern spirituality brings the early Church alive in new and exciting ways. For example, I never really understood the western concepts of original sin and Purgatory until I studied the Eastern concept of divinization called Theosis, which presents the path to salvation in a more cohesive whole, from conception to perfection in the presence of God.
But we'll save that for another day!
Praise His name!
Amen!
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:02 pm |
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This is the first Easter where I will be going through it as a "real Catholic." I am so excited...
And by the way, as a chemist I am delighted that "triduum" is usually pronounced (around here anyway) to rhyme with the hydrogen isotope of mass 3. Makes me feel even more at home.   
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:55 pm |
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Annie,
Since I went through the "Hippie" era and considering your science background, are you saying that becoming a "real Catholic" is going to be a real gas? 
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:55 pm |
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Annie wrote: And by the way, as a chemist I am delighted that "triduum" is usually pronounced (around here anyway) to rhyme with the hydrogen isotope of mass 3. Makes me feel even more at home.   
"Trid-oo-um" is how I've always said it.
Besides, as JPII always told us, science and religion cannot contradict each other as they're part of the same revelation from the same God. If they appear to contradict, it's because we're not understanding something. So why shouldn't a chemist and a theologian use the same terms?
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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It oughta be "tree-doo-oom" but around here it is pronounced "tritium." For the same reason they call a bush a "boosh" and a green pepper a "mango" and a knit hat a "toboggan." it's almost like that Twilight Zone episode where the guy wakes up and all the words have changed meaning over night. It ends with him sitting down with his daughter's spelling book and saying "dinosaur" and the picture was of something completely different.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 03:42 pm |
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Annie wrote: It oughta be "tree-doo-oom" but around here it is pronounced "tritium."
But remember the Church is using a Latin pronunciation, in which "uu" is pronounced "oo-uh" so "trih-doo-um" or "tree-doo-um" would be appropriate. Then again, my first year Latin teacher was a Cajun with a thick "down the bayou" accent who was taught by a German, so I probably have no idea what's right. My second-year teacher was (now) Archbishop John Favalora of Miami, and his pronunciations were probably closer to authentic.
"German" Latin reminds me of Mr. Chekov on Star Trek. I wonder how Herr Benedict pronounces his Latin?
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 03:52 pm |
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| Bennie's Latin i think sounds better than JPII's. I have his Rosary CD. Polish Latin...
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 08:29 pm |
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| Last year I went to the Good Friday service and the Easter Vigil. I was stunned speechless at the sacredness and the holiness of both services -- the whole experience caused me to rejoice again that I am soon entering this awesome Church! Then, on Easter morning, I went with my family to our Presbyterian church. In an effort to promote rejoicing, (I suppose), the pastor had the ushers pass out red balloons which everyone was to take, blow up, and release. From kissing the Cross to lighting the candles and kneeling, to releasing a red balloon -- the contrast between the sacred and the silly was easy to see. How can people honestly say that God is absent from the Catholic Church? They know not what they are speaking!
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 04:11 pm |
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Rick,
Thanks for the information on the Easter Triduum. I'm continuingly amazed at the richness and fullness of the Catholic faith.
When I began to study church history and the theology of the various Christian denominations, it became quickly apparent that Protestant churches, while all blessed by God in various ways, are incomplete. All tend to raise up certain aspects of Christianity while reducing or rejecting others.
It's been wonderful discovering the fullness of Christianity that is Catholicism.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 05:28 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: Amen! It is like a head of cabbage; the deeper we get, the more there is to discover.
Let's use something more pleasant than cabbage, shall we? Let's say chocolate cake, or maybe hot fudge sundae. Yeah, that's it, a hot fudge sundae. There's a lot to discover in a hot fudge sundae. With a cherry on top!

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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 05:36 pm |
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Ali wrote: cajunrick wrote: Amen! It is like a head of cabbage; the deeper we get, the more there is to discover.
Let's use something more pleasant than cabbage, shall we? Let's say chocolate cake, or maybe hot fudge sundae. Yeah, that's it, a hot fudge sundae. There's a lot to discover in a hot fudge sundae. With a cherry on top!
Doesn't quite work the same way, but if that's the image you want to use, go for it!
The Deposit of Faith has been descibed using a head of cabbage or a head of lettuce, in that each leaf that is removed reveals a completely new leaf beneath it. It is of the same substance as the previous leaf, yet it is not the same.
Chocolate cake or a hot fudge sundae doesn't quite work the same way. Maybe a New Orleans original doberge cake.....
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 05:45 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: Ali wrote: cajunrick wrote: Amen! It is like a head of cabbage; the deeper we get, the more there is to discover.
Let's use something more pleasant than cabbage, shall we? Let's say chocolate cake, or maybe hot fudge sundae. Yeah, that's it, a hot fudge sundae. There's a lot to discover in a hot fudge sundae. With a cherry on top!
Doesn't quite work the same way, but if that's the image you want to use, go for it!
The Deposit of Faith has been descibed using a head of cabbage or a head of lettuce, in that each leaf that is removed reveals a completely new leaf beneath it. It is of the same substance as the previous leaf, yet it is not the same.
Chocolate cake or a hot fudge sundae doesn't quite work the same way. Maybe a New Orleans original doberge cake.....
Now, see a chocolate layer cake can be like a leaf. Each layer of cake you remove reveals another layer unerneath it. Each one uniquely different from the the one above it. And it's chocolate. I see no down side here. However, if you want to be difficult, then fine, use cabbage. {shudder}
I haven't had the please of tasting a doberge cake. {asks hopefully} Is it chocolate?

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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 09:23 pm |
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Dear Ali, please have sympathy for those of us who have given up sweets for Lent! We can save the hot fudge sundaes for after Easter. 
Elizabeth
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 11:09 pm |
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Ali wrote: I haven't had the please of tasting a doberge cake. {asks hopefully} Is it chocolate?
Actually, yes. It has many, very thin layers, so as each layer is exposed, the filling beneath it is exposed. As the filling is eaten, the next layer is exposed. Etc. If course, that's not usually how it's eaten, but it could be, and the filling is usually different between different layers.
You can see one here; scroll down to see it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 11:53 pm |
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Don't put those kind of sites on here Rick! I took one look and gained three pounds!!! 
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 11:59 pm |
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BodRod wrote: Don't put those kind of sites on here Rick! I took one look and gained three pounds!!! 
I try to make my examples relevant. I suggested cabbage. YOU suggested chocolate. I merely obliged.
EDIT: Oops! Ali suggested the chocolate, not you. Mea culpa!
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Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2007 10:03 am |
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Oh, I see. It's a torte.
salivating,
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Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2007 10:13 am |
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Annie wrote: Oh, I see. It's a torte.
It's close, but no fruit or nuts, just cake and chocolate. LOTS of chocolate. A typical woman's dreams come true!
(Not a sexist comment -- women have a hormonal reaction to chocolate; men do not.)
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Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2007 12:24 pm |
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cajunrick wrote:
The Deposit of Faith has been descibed using a head of cabbage or a head of lettuce, in that each leaf that is removed reveals a completely new leaf beneath it. It is of the same substance as the previous leaf, yet it is not the same.
In that you used the phrase "the tip of the iceberg" (this in a much earlier post), the lettuce seems more appropriate to use than the cabbage.
Continuing the silliness,
Jill
I love silliness.... And as April 7th draws nearer and nearer, I get giddier and giddier...
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Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2007 12:57 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: Annie wrote: Oh, I see. It's a torte.
It's close, but no fruit or nuts, just cake and chocolate. LOTS of chocolate. A typical woman's dreams come true!
(Not a sexist comment -- women have a hormonal reaction to chocolate; men do not.)
Yes, it would be like a Dobosh torte, which is chocolate cake between layers of chocolate creamy stuff. <-- not the technical term.
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