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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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More news from the wacky Northeast! Well, what else could we expect?
Please forgive the liberties I took with the piece. I copied it on to MS works to write something about it for my blog later. But what I added for this post is in small blue print and tucked it in the quotation box to save on space.
One can almost guarantee that most of the attendees of this joke will have plenty of diplomas and doctorates especially in the Liberaldom of the Northeast and the People's Republic of Foolishness; thus doing their best to prove that the more book smart some people get, the less pew smart they become.
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"3 women to be ordained Catholic priests in Boston"
"3 Women to be ordained Catholic priests in Boston"
Excommunication automatic, church warns
By Michael Paulson
Globe Staff / July 18, 2008
Three aspiring Catholic priests will be anointed and prayed over this weekend in an ordination liturgy that will resemble the traditional in most ways but one: The three being ordained are women.
The ordination ceremony Sunday, at a historic Protestant church in the Back Bay, is the first such event to take place in Boston, one of the most Catholic cities in the nation.
The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston, in accord with Vatican teaching, says the participants in the ordination ceremony will be automatically excommunicating themselves.
But the women being ordained say they are acting because they feel called to the priesthood and compelled to resist what they view as a wrong church teaching.
"We're part of a prophetic tradition of disobeying an unjust law," said Gabriella Velardi Ward, a 61-year-old Staten Island architect with two children and five grandchildren, who will be ordained along with Gloria Carpeneto of Baltimore and Mary Ann McCarthy Schoettly of Newton, N.J.
Ward said she has wanted to be a priest since age 5, and that she actively considered becoming a nun before deciding that the priesthood was her calling because she wants to be able to celebrate Catholic sacraments.
"Excommunication or not, I will still be a validly ordained priest and still will be able to serve the people of God," she said.
* With apologies to Cardinal Newman, "Pride rules her way, she doth not bother to see." With anybody THAT ARROGANT they won't need any AC in the church. People like that usually provide their own special kind.
The women are to be ordained by Dana Reynolds, a California woman who was consecrated as a bishop in Germany in April.
Reynolds and the others are part of an organization called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which has been holding ordination ceremonies for women since 2002; the organization says there are now 28 women Catholic priests in the United States.
Among those already ordained is Jean Marchant, a former director of healthcare ministry for the Archdiocese of Boston, who with her husband presides over a small congregation that has a weekly Catholic Eucharist in a Protestant church in Weston.
Doesn't the Globe have an editor responsible for putting "s where they belong, especially concerning this travesty happening in a very cushy upscale suburb? Maybe it did and he offended enough people with his "punctuation skils."
The organization says its ordinations are valid because its first bishops were ordained by Catholic bishops in good standing - bishops whose names have not been released because they would face sanction by the Vatican.
Why bother wasting time with the sanctions. Let's make a trade with the Anglicans, and for a few other priests to be "named at a later date..." as it's often done in MLB.
But the Vatican says the ordinations are illegal under church law and yesterday the Archdiocese of Boston sent an e-mail to all priests declaring that women play key roles in the church, but cannot be priests.
"Catholics who attempt to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the women who attempt to receive a sacred order, are by their own actions separating themselves from the church," the archdiocese said. "As a faith community rooted in the loving ministry of Jesus Christ, we pray for those who have willingly fallen away from the church by participating in such activities."
The ordination will be Sunday afternoon in Church of the Covenant on Newbury Street in Boston's Back Bay. The church is affiliated with two Protestant denominations, the Presbyterian Church (USA) and the United Church of Christ.
The interim pastor of Church of the Covenant, the Rev. Jennifer Wegter-McNelly, said the congregation decided to rent its historic space, with Tiffany windows depicting women of the Bible, at a nominal fee to show support.
"It's our effort to encourage and celebrate with them," Wegter-McNelly said. "This church's commitment to women goes back a long time."
Good New England Yankee Blue Bloods! Notice the word "rent." Why not just let them have it for free? But, that's not the New England Yankee way. For one; even those these women are renegades, they're still papists, however iffy to say the least. Closer to their hearts, taht upscale Protestant Backbay congregation would have to pay its sextons if the faux lady "priests" and their fawning accomplice family members didn't spring for the tab, and one mustn't lose a cent. Especially if they're a mainline churches like the Presbyterians and Congregationalists that are losing money as we breath
The ceremony has been scheduled to coincide with the first joint conference of four organizations pushing for the admission of married men, as well as of women, to the priesthood. That conference begins today at the Hyatt Harborside.
In St. Louis, a recent Catholic women's ordination ceremony at a synagogue led to a rift in Catholic-Jewish relations.
The Boston archdiocese declined to comment about the Protestant church's decision to allow the dissident Catholics to meet there.
If the Diocese does, you can BANK on the Globe mangling it by offering its readers unfair and unbalanced coverage. This is NOT a "Catholic friendly" fishwrap.
The Vatican has repeatedly said that women cannot be priests because Jesus did not have female apostles.
In 1994, in the most definitive recent Vatican statement on the issue, Pope John Paul II issued an apostolic letter in which he wrote, "I declare that the church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women."
In its own statement, sent to priests by a vicar general, the Rev. Richard M. Erikson, the archdiocese said, "The ordination of men to the priesthood is not merely a matter of practice or discipline within the Catholic Church, but rather, it is part of the unalterable Deposit of Faith handed down by Christ through his apostles."
But the archdiocese also said it hopes the women involved will seek "reconciliation" with the Catholic Church, and said, "Following our devotion to Mary, the church is committed to, and sustained by the many important contributions of women each and every day."
Michael Paulson can be reached at
mpaulson@globe.com.
© Copyright 2008 Globe Newspaper Company.
The Great News is that these gals will all be booted like everybody else who pushed them along. The Bad News is that they won't get it and they'll have plenty of media coverage to make sure the rest of the population doesn't get it either.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 02:18 am |
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Following is the Associated Press "after the fact story" about the above mentioned story shared with us by the good Steven. Apparently they went through with the prohibited event. On one hand, I respect and honor women. On the other hand, I love, respect, honor and fear God. If they are truly Catholics, as they allege that they are, I feel that these women need to do what the church says that they should do or, in this case, NOT do what the church has prohibited. If they do not believe what the church teaches, they need to LEAVE the church and become members of another denomination which has teachings according to their beliefs. I am NOT saying that other denominations are correct in teaching what these women believe, just saying that I feel that they should NOT try to interfere with what the Catholic Church believes. I hope that the Catholic Church will take the appropriate disciplinary methods against these women and that the women will repent and become reconciled with the Catholic Church by obeying it's teachings and rules. If they are not willing to do that then the women need to go to some other denomination which, by the way, will require them to be ordained as though they never had been ordained not to mention be formally received into that denomination. Right now, it seems to me that these women and their supporters have far more in common with "The Evil One" than they do with Jesus. May God have mercy upon them.
Please also see the following:
Group says it ordains 3 women Catholic priests
July 20, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
BOSTON - An activist group hoping to pressure the Roman Catholic church into dropping its long-standing prohibition barring women from the priesthood says it ordained three women on Sunday.
Church officials did not recognize the ordination, and the Vatican has previously warned that women taking part in ordination ceremonies will be excommunicated.
The group known as Roman Catholic Womenpriests held the ceremony at the Church of the Covenant, a Protestant Church in Boston.
The group said the three women - Gloria Carpeneto of Baltimore, Judy Lee of Fort Myers, Fla., and Gabriella Velardi Ward of New York City - are responding to a heartfelt call to serve the church as priests.
A fourth woman, Mary Ann McCarthy Schoettly of Newton, N.J., was ordained as a deacon, the group said.
The Archdiocese of Boston issued a statement decrying the ceremony.
"Catholics who attempt to confer a sacred order on a woman, and the women who attempt to receive a sacred order, are by their own actions separating themselves from the church," the archdiocese said.
The group says the women who are ordained remain loyal members of the church and will act as priests whether they are excommunicated or not.
Sunday's ordination ceremony was performed by two women the group describes as bishops - Ida Raming of Struttgart, Germany, and Dana Reynolds from California.
The ceremony "is not in compliance with their man-made rules, but it's certainly in compliance with the Roman Catholic ordination rituals because our bishops were ordained by all-male Roman Catholic bishops who are in good standing with the church," as provided by the church's ordination rituals, said Bridget Mary Meehan, the group's spokeswoman.
The group, which was formed in 2002, has conducted similar ceremonies in the U.S. and other parts of the world.
In March, the archbishop of St. Louis excommunicated three women - two Americans and a South African who were part of the Womenpriests movement - for participating in a woman's ordination.
Pope Benedict XVI, like his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, has rebuffed calls to change traditional church teachings on the requirement that priests be male.
Catholics who are excommunicated cannot receive sacraments. The penalty can be lifted if those who have been punished are sincerely repentant.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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EMarshallBuckles wrote:If they do not believe what the church teaches, they need to LEAVE the church and become members of another denomination which has teachings according to their beliefs.
No doubt this would be the honorable thing to do. But of course, if they are going to dissent and disobey, it is arguably to their group’s material advantage for them to remain “in” the Church as “martyrs” to gain sympathy and influence churchmen. As one notorious dissenter stated some years ago when asked why she did not simply leave the Church, “That’s where the copier is.”
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 06:11 am |
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Don't forget the coffee and donuts.  I'll bet they never copied those pages in Canon Law dealing with NO WOMEN PRIESTS!
Just like that old Lorrie Morgan song, "What part of NO don't you understand?"
Roma locuta est, causa finita est!
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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 04:20 pm |
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Steve,
One of the problems in TEC was that no one protested and ex-communicated those first women who were "ordained" as priests in TEC..They just let it go and thought it would go away..Then at the next Bichops confrence they used that "reluctance" to gain their goal..
Thankfully the Roman Catholic Church has each time come out directly and announded not only that these "ordinations" were false and not vaild, but the participants are ex-communicated also..and if I'm not mistaken the so called Bishop was already ex-communicated, so she was not even a member in good standing in the church to begin with...
We must keep the pressure on them as they will keep the pressure on us....Part of their agenda is to "over time beat down the opposition" Just as the Communists tried (and sometimes succeeded) . The church needs to keep telling everyone that this is not a Roman Catholic ordination..Even if they call it that..Pretend priests .......What a joke...
Michael
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