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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 05:44 pm |
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Vatican City, Jul 8, 2008 / 10:19 am (CNA).- The Church of England voted on Monday evening to move ahead with the ordination of women as bishops. The outcome of the vote prompted the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity to say that the decision is a “break with apostolic tradition” and a “further obstacle” to any efforts at dialogue between the two churches.
Following six hours of heated debate by the General Synod at the University of York, the majority of the bishops, clergy and laity voting blocks cast their ballots in favor of allowing women to be ordained to the episcopate. Bishops voted to approve ordaining women bishops by 28 to 12, clergy assented by 124 to 44 and lay people by 111 to 68.
The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity reacted to the decision, saying, "We have regretfully learned the news of the Church of England vote that paves the way for the introduction of legislation which will lead to the ordaining of women to the episcopacy.”
Listing its objections to the admittance of women, the council said, "The Catholic position on the issue has been clearly expressed by Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II. Such a decision signifies a break with the apostolic tradition maintained by all of the Churches since the first millennium and is, therefore, a further obstacle to reconciliation between the Catholic Church and the Church of England.”
Although the Vatican has maintained an ongoing dialogue with the Church of England, it said that, "This decision will have consequences on the future of dialogue, which had up until now borne fruit, as Cardinal Kasper clearly explained when on June 5, 2006 he spoke to all of the bishops of the Church of England at the invitation of the Archbishop of Canterbury.”
Other signs of discord were also seen within the Anglican Communion as 1,300 clergy threatened to quit if the church decided to ordain women bishops and several British newspapers reported that some Anglican bishops were in talks with Rome to discuss joining the Catholic Church.
Some aspects of the Anglican’s General Synod vote also irked more traditional members who were calling for the creation of new dioceses for parishes and clergy opposed to women bishops.
Instead of erecting new dioceses, the Synod voted to approve the crafting of a statutory national code of practice to accommodate parishes and clergy who object to women bishops on grounds of conscience.
The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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With apologies to the playrights of "My Fair Lady,"
"Damn, damn, damn ... let the women in your clergy, and you'll invite eternal strife..."
or, "by George they've done it."
Now imagine what even 'enry the eight would be saying alongside 'enry 'iggins. Yeah, just imagine what Henry VIII must be thinking now.
Don't worry, I'm not taking up playwriting in my spare time. Just Anglican trainwreck watching.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:45 am |
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I don't want to appear unnecessarily shameless here in the art of self-promotion, (well, how 'bout partially shameless) -- but I've taken some of this off a domain I have with orble.com. just to fill you all in as to how badly Abp. Williams has been misreading scripture, and what his role as a lead MUST be. I'll admit to perhaps "going ballistic" but I'll let you be the judge:
http://www.politicsramble.com/in-the-name-of-god-go/
ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY ROWAN WILLIAMS, THE TITULAR HEAD OF THE WORLD WIDE ANGLICAN COMMUNION MUST BE FEELING LIKE NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN LATELY. HE SHOULD. HIS PORTRAIT BELONGS ALONGSIDE THAT OF CHAMBERLAIN, AND CHAMBERLAIN'S PREDECESSOR, STANLEY BALDWIN, WHO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WAS A BIGGER APPEASER THAN CHAMBERLAIN AND LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE DISASTERS THAT WERE TO BEFALL THE BRITISH EMPIRE AND ALMOST COMPLETELY BROUGHT HER DOWN DURING THE FIRST HALF OF 1940.
WINSTON CHURCHILL OFTEN WARNED THE GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE PERILS AND PRICE OF APPEASEMENT, REMINDING THEM IT WAS AKIN TO A MISSIONARY GIVING IN TO A CANNIBAL EVERY LAST THING HE HAD (SAVE FOR PRINCIPLE, GUTS AND BACKBONE) UNTIL THE CANNIBAL SIMPLY DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO EAT THE MISSIONARY -- AND DID BECAUSE THE MISSIONARY KEPT GIVING IN.
I CHRONICLED THE PATHETIC DECLINE IN MORAL AND SCRIPTURAL STANDARDS IN A PREVIOUS POST SO THERE'S NO POINT IN REHASHING THAT. BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THESE REMARKS GIVEN BY A MORE DEFIANT WILLIAMS -- BUT FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS AT THE WORST TIME POSSIBLE.
IN A REPORT FILED FOR THE GUARDIAN, RIAZAT BUTT, THE PAPER'S RELIGIOUS AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT WROTE:
Aware of the turmoil engulfing the church, Williams yesterday addressed some of the concerns in his Sunday sermon at a packed York Minster.
He spoke of the "agonies and complexities" facing the church as it struggled with controversial issues, and expressed his belief that Jesus would be with all those affected. He told the congregation: "In the middle of all our discussion at synod, where would Jesus be? With those traditionalists, feeling the church is falling away from them, the landmarks have shifted. He will be with those in a very different part of the landscape - who feel things are closing in, that their position is under threat, that their liberties are being taken away by those anxious and eager to enforce their ideologies in the name of Christ.
"He will be with the gay clergy who wonder what their future is in a church so anxious and threatened about this issue." Some members of the congregation said they were moved to tears by his words and welcomed his generosity and compassion. (emphasis mine)
Williams later told the Guardian: "This is a church worth fighting for. Nobody wants to leave it, and nobody wants to lose it."
I'LL BET THOSE WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES REDUCED TO SHEDDING TEARS AFTER LISTENING TO SUCH SENTIMENTALISTIC SLOP AND DRIVEL.
A CHURCH THAT'S THROWN IN THE TOWEL TO SIN, DEBAUCHERY AND APPEASEMENT OF THOSE WHO'D TURN GOD'S HOUSE UPSIDE DOWN TO ACHIEVE NOTHING LESS THAN A POWER PLAY OF THEIR OWN -- IS NOT A CHURCH WORTH FIGHTING FOR.
ITS NOT A CHURCH: IT'S A SAD AND PATHETIC PARODY OF WHAT USED TO BE A CHURCH.
WHEN I THINK OF THE UGANDAN BISHOPS AND PRIESTS WHO BRAVED IDI AMIN, AND THINK OF THE LIKES OF THIS SAD, OLD AND INTELLECTUALLY TIRED SHELL OF A CLERIC LEADING THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND INTO AN ABYSS, IT STUPEFIES MY IMAGINATION TO EVEN THINK THAT THIS "ARCHBISHOP" WOULD HAVE THE NERVE TO USE THE WORD "FIGHTING."
NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN'S FATE WAS SEALED DURING A DEBATE ABOUT THE THOROUGHLY BOTCHED BRITISH/NORWEGIAN CAMPAIGN WHEN CONSERVATIVE LEO AMERY, QUOTING OLIVER CROMWELL'S CALL FOR THE END OF THE LONG PARLIAMENT, SAID --
You have sat here for too long for any
good you are doing. Depart, I say, and
let us have done with you. In the name
of God, go!
Williams gave that speech (highlighted in blue) Sunday according to The Guardian. The man's a piece of work. Even Pope Benedict's patience has to be expired by now and certainly Cardinal Kasper must be wiping his hands clean of this mess.
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