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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Jun 17th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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London, Jun 17, 2008 / 03:28 am (CNA).- The recent revelation that two Anglican clergymen exchanged last month vows in a version of a marriage ceremony has renewed the controversy over same-sex unions within the Anglican Communion.
Critics condemned the latest ceremony as blasphemous, saying it also flouted church guidelines.
The ceremony, which used formal rites, took place at St. Bartholomew the Great Church in London in May. It was conducted for Reverend Peter Cowell and Reverend Dr. David Lord, who were already civil partners. According to BBC News, the couple reportedly exchanged vows and rings in front of hundreds of guests.
Reverend Martin Dudley, who conducted the service, said he had not broken any instructions issued by the bishops.
“It wasn't a gay church wedding, it was the blessing of two people who have contracted a civil partnership,” Rev. Dudley said.
"They wanted more than I was able to give - they wanted something more like a wedding. I was not willing to do that because I believe that marriage is the union of a man and a woman,” he told BBC News.
Rev. Dudley said he and the couple had to negotiate the form of the ceremony so that he could say the words of the rite “with integrity.”
The Anglican Archbishop of Uganda, the Most Reverend Henry Orombi, told the Sunday Telegraph, “The leadership tried to deny that this would happen, but now the truth is out.
"Our respect for the Church of England will erode unless we see a return to traditional teaching."
Under Church of England guidelines, homosexual priests can enter civil partnerships as long as they remain celibate. The guidelines also say that homosexual couples who ask a priest to bless their partnership must be treated “pastorally and sensitively.”
The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Jun 18th, 2008 12:59 am |
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 Rick, I think this eye-ballin' fella needs either a touch of scarlet red or real sickly dark green when it comes to dealing with our Anglican brothers/sisters or whatevers (next up.)
This trainwreck was long forseen, awaited, even anticipated with glee, from our very separated brethern (and I mean, well, what USED to be officially very separated "brethern") and not in the least forestalled. When I put the quotation hooks on the brethern, that was my way of making sure I wasn't an exclusivist and leaving the "transgendered" out. No, no. Now that would be very unseemly. You can get into a lot of trouble for that offense.
  
The Anglican Archbishop of Uganda, the Most Reverend Henry Orombi, told the Sunday Telegraph, “The leadership tried to deny that this would happen, but now the truth is out. ... "Our respect for the Church of England will erode unless we see a return to traditional teaching."
"... Will erode ... "? My, Abp. Orombi was being as delicate as he could. One can only imagine the pain he must be feeling in his severly bitten (Anglicized) upper lip. The lily whites in Lambeth had better pay attention to this guy.
He stood up to Big Daddy -- the "Last King of Scotland" -- Idi Amin and lived. (Which is far more than I can say for a lot of white diplomats who ran back to Europe and left a hell of a mess behind.)
Maybe I overlooked it, but I didn't see any mention of lil' gene of that "new england state" and his now legalized boyfriend. Imagine that!
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CajunRick
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 05:18 pm |
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Anglican leaders respond to clergymen’s same-sex ‘wedding’
London, Jun 18, 2008 / 10:15 pm (CNA).- The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York on Tuesday released a statement in response to news that two Anglican clergymen who exchanged vows in May in a version of a marriage ceremony. The archbishops voiced “very great concern” and referred to previous Anglican teachings against sexually-active same-sex unions.
The same-sex ceremony, which used formal rites, took place at St. Bartholomew the Great Church in London in May. It was conducted for Reverend Peter Cowell and Reverend Dr. David Lord, who were already civil partners. According to BBC News, the couple reportedly exchanged vows and rings in front of hundreds of guests.
The ceremony was criticized as blasphemous, not in keeping with the regulations of the Anglican Church and for adding to the controversy over homosexuality within the global Anglican Communion.
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and Archbishop of York John Sentamu, the two highest-ranking clergymen in the Church of England, said in their Tuesday statement “We have heard the reports of the recent service in St. Bartholomew the Great with very great concern. We cannot comment on the specific circumstances because they are the subject of an investigation launched by the Bishop of London.”
“Those clergy who disagree with the Church's teaching are at liberty to seek to persuade others within the Church of the reasons why they believe, in the light of Scripture, tradition and reason that it should be changed. But they are not at liberty simply to disregard it."
The archbishops said the “various reference points for the Church of England’s approach to human sexuality,” such as the 1987 Synod motion, the 1991 Bishops' Statement “Issues in Human Sexuality,” and the House of Bishops' 2005 statement on civil partnerships, “are well known and remain current.”
The 2005 statement said entering a domestic partnership is “not intrinsically incompatible” with Anglican holy orders, provided partners affirm the standards set out in the 1991 statement “Issues in Human Sexuality.” That earlier statement said clergy “cannot claim the liberty to enter into sexually active homophile relationships.”
The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
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rbo4u2
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 05:29 pm |
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Marcus has highlighted a couple of the Anglican converts on his Journey Home Program that have helped me understand a lot of what is going on in the Anglican community. That is one group who's going down fast. It's a real mess in the Anglican/Episcopal church.
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JasPax
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and Archbishop of York John Sentamu, the two highest-ranking clergymen in the Church of England, said in their Tuesday statement “We have heard the reports of the recent service in St. Bartholomew the Great with very great concern. We cannot comment on the specific circumstances because they are the subject of an investigation launched by the Bishop of London.”
I hope none of you are holding your breath waiting for discipline to follow for the "clergy" involved. This is just one more step in the long slide of Anglicanism into oblivion. In one or two generations they will just be a historical curiosity, IMO.
In the post vatican II years, I watched the Episcopal Church copy many of the changes made by the Catholic Church. Some good-some not so good. The difference was, the Catholic Church (many thanks to Paul VI, John Paul II and most bishops) had the authority to rein in those clergy and religious who tried to re-make the Church into what they personally wanted.
The Anglicans/Episcopalians, on the otheer hand, have no such authority to set boundaries. Hence they continue to sail off into the wild blue yonder.
All Episcopalians loyal to the historic teachings of the Faith need to return to Mother Church. This is where we belonged all along.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 04:19 am |
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This, my friends, is Twilight Zone and/or Death Rattle Theology "at work."
If this isn't a texbook example of a profile of no leadership whatsoever, what else could there be? How much investigation do they need? It either happened in front of people or it didn't. Such spinelessness reminds me of Churchill's famous quip about PM Ramsey MacDonald being the "boneless wonder." The C of E has two of them now.
Even an altar boy could finish this investigation up in five minutes if he could get through stammering from the shock of having to be a witness to it all.
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and Archbishop of York John Sentamu, the two highest-ranking clergymen in the Church of England, said in their Tuesday statement “We have heard the reports of the recent service in St. Bartholomew the Great with very great concern. We cannot comment on the specific circumstances because they are the subject of an investigation launched by the Bishop of London.”
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“Those clergy who disagree with the Church's teaching are at liberty to seek to persuade others within the Church of the reasons why they believe, in the light of Scripture, tradition and reason that it should be changed. But they are not at liberty simply to disregard it."
What does this mush along with their "very great concern" supposed to mean?
A) They're at liberty to subvert the faith of others, but to do so by utterly impossible means, Scripture which states in no uncertain terms what God thinks about homosexual conduct, much less today's modern, post-modern or just plain post-civilized modern thinking -- and I haven't even gotten around to thinking how these clowns could rationalize how anybody could stew up any reasons based on tradition and even reason itself.
B) But they're "not at liberty to simply disregard it." Excuse me, but that horse has long left the barn. The disregarding's been done and finished long ago.
What a joke of an institution. Sorry to say, but the once dignified, albeit separated branch of English small-c catholicism is beyond the joke status. It's merely an institution with the inmates running the show!
By all means, let's pray for the good ones who want to come over and let's pull a spiritual Dunkirk to bring them home.
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