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"Transgender science" -- loopier, but also more "accepted" by docs and dangerous
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I just found this article in Townhall.com this morning about a new (and very ugly) trend in "transgender science." It was picked up from the Baptist Press which ran it last Friday.

I'm just going to share a few portions. But before I go, let me say it was bad enough watching a caucasian couple adobt a couple of Black infant boys and let them grow up as girls, wearing dresses, and playing with toys more appropriate for girls, etc., etc. My heart broke for those kids. Yes, as one friend told me, at least they weren't being raised by crack addicts, child molesters, and "foster parents" who were only in it for the money. Indeed, they never appeared unduly harsh or snapped at them even when the kids got out of hand, which let's face it, little kids do quite well at!

On the other hand, there has got to be a line drawn on what's socialy acceptable lest these kids, and these kids that you'll read about concerning any squirrelly theories and practices, tests, and so forth pointing towards future "transgender" "life" or "orientations." If that renders me "judgmental," so be it. But in my book, boys are boys and girls are girls and if you try to make them what they aren't, that's just plain wrong!

After I read this article, there was no way above the floorboards of hell that I could've put it down without coming to the conclusion that some people will cook their books to prove anything. Anything, execpt that which would really benefit children.

(I copied this from a MS Word doc while using an eMac so it might look funnier than how posts should look if placed on a PC. Sorry for the appearence.)

http://www.townhall.com/news/religion/2008/05/23/its_a_boy!_or_is_it

"Friday, May 23, 2008
It's a boy! (or is it?)
By Kelly Boggs / Baptist Press

"ALEXANDRIA, La. (BP)--If you discipline your child by spanking, the so-called progressives in our world say you are guilty of child abuse. If, however, you take your child to a doctor for medical treatment in order to delay puberty in preparation for sex reassignment surgery, many of these same liberals will applaud you as a brave and caring parent."

"Dr. Norman Spack, a pediatric specialist at Boston's Children's Hospital, has opened a clinic for transgender kids (boys who believe they were born in a girl's body and vice-a-versa) and he is planning on treating children as young as seven, according to a story in The Boston Globe."

"Spack will offer his younger patients counseling and drugs that will delay the onset of puberty, thus allowing them more time to decide if they eventually want to undergo sex reassignment surgery."

"For teenagers who believe they are transgender, Spack (which, by the way, rhymes with quack) will offer hormone therapy. These treatments are considered drastic and will alter the way a teen will grow and develop. Long-term hormone therapy cannot be reversed."


:eyeroll: Where's the Massachusetts Department of Social Services (DSS) when parents really need it?

"While Spack's treatment of patients as young as seven might seem radical, there are some who believe children far younger can know they are transgender.

"Dr. Irene Sills, a physician and senior professor of pediatrics at the State University of New York, told FoxNews.com that she had a case of twin girls where one of them showed signs of being transgender at age three.


I hope to hell Fox didn't give this doc's notions any "fair and balanced" treatment.

Boggs goes on to say,

"I am not trying to make light of the fact there are people who are psychologically confused when it comes to their gender -- and some of them are children. However, these people and kids are in need of prayer and counseling, not hormone therapy and a surgeon."

"What if a young child or teenager insisted he or she were born the wrong race? Would Spack and Sills suggest some sort of pigment altering therapy? I doubt it. They likely would conclude the kid was confused or delusional and recommend counseling -- the very thing they should do with there so-called transgender patients."


spb/ ... With apologies to the late Waylon Jennings, thank God there are some of us left in this sad world who are just crazy enough to believe in what's been taught since the beginning of time--God's law and natural law which even the "cavempersyns" had a better handle on than many of our so-called educated elite who'd love nothing more than to dirive us just a little more insane to go along with their ridiculously dangerous "theories" and "findings."

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If you discipline your child by spanking, the so-called progressives in our world say you are guilty of child abuse. If, however, you take your child to a doctor for medical treatment in order to delay puberty in preparation for sex reassignment surgery, many of these same liberals will applaud you as a brave and caring parent.


 

The above is not off track at all!

I find reports like these to be very disturbing. The next step is a Lesbian adopts a boy (because that’s all that was available) dreams up a transgender case, and….snip, snip, Dr. Makemoremoney does his thing, and He is a She. 

To say the least this is sordid!:headbang:



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That is so SICK!!  And the sickest part is that others accept and applaud it.

Do you see what I mean, Steven?  The bottom is rotten.  We are a sick, sick nation.

Where is the Great Physician???  Why are our hearts so hard?  We are the Gerasene pigs, headed pell-mell for destruction. 



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so sad- but it isn't just our nation- you can bet it is being done quietly in Europe too



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I think the only reason God doesn't judge us is because there is a lot of Christian activity going on in the US too. If we were reduced to ashes by a nuclear strike tomorrow, I'd think it was a perfectly just judgment, just like ancient Israel was judged by the Babylonians for sinning far less than we have. We've killed 8 or 9 times more than the Nazis did by now.

Rev. Wright has nothing on me in terms of the notion that America should be judged! But he leaves abortion and homosexuality and euthanasia and sexual sin in general out of the equation. That's my problem with him. All he seems to have is a Marxist outlook, not a traditional Christian morality perspective.



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Robert,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you: You were the first respondent, and I don't think anyone could've beaten you on this. Man, that was fast!

You really hit the essence of this danger squarely on the head of the nail, yes, another nail on Christ's Cross!

I was getting a little worried that somebody in the next burg over--Northampton, MA aka "Lesbianville, USA" might've thought you had a "good idea." If not that, she's going to hit us all with a one-size-fits-all class action lawsuit alleging that we most grieviously hurt her and her it/her/his kid's feelings.

At one time I would've roared laughing out loud just thinking of this craziness...but one never knows these days. Makes you really think about the old joke that a shrink that is only "inches" from becoming his own patient! Or was that a lawyer? Craziness all around!



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Sorry it took so long to get back to you: You were the first respondent, and I don't think anyone could've beaten you on this. Man, that was fast!Steve, Yes, there is some advantage to the time difference.:D


I was getting a little worried that somebody in the next burg over--Northampton, MA aka "Lesbianville, USA" might've thought you had a "good idea." If not that, she's going to hit us all with a one-size-fits-all class action lawsuit alleging that we most grieviously hurt her and her it/her/his kid's feelings.
That is the very sad situation that can only be remedied if the system finally realizes that the MAJORITY has the say and not the over-vocal minority. Our so called minority protection legislation is an affront to any democracy. 

Europe is not that far yet, but very, very close. I will be only a matter of time when we can no longer say I DON’T LIKE….. whatever, without being dragged to court. 

BTW: its not crazyness, its diabolic!

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:embarrassed:Robert, I'm sure you're probably wondering Uh oh, it can't get any crazier, or even more diabolical, but it does in the sense of how deeply it's become so entrenched at some of our most "prestigious" women's collges and other places of "higher learning."  :eyeroll: Some "background" --

http://www.epinions.com/content_60976631428

The five-college area has the nickname of “the Happy Valley,” a somewhat cryptic reference to the large per capita population of lesbians. The area is friendly toward gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered people in general, and especially so inside academic circles.

 :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:


I lost some of this earlier this afternoon. My computer froze. Actually it was probably punishing me for making me copy this, but some of this stuff needs disseminating if for no other reason than to serve as a "Town Crier" and "warning bell in the night."  (Around here it sounds like "tink, tink, tink ... tunk")


http://www.antijen.org/Articles/amherst/Amherst/Amherst.html

© Daily Hampshire Gazette, Northampton MA, USA, 2003


Thursday, September 25, 2003 Male to female/Female to male

BY SUNSHINE DEWITT, Staff Writer

Editor's note: In referring to the transgender people profiled in this article, we use the pronouns that they use.


 

Ohhhkaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy  what else is next? :embarrassed:

LISETTE LAHANA, the Northampton therapist who specializes in gender issues, says that while the changes Boucher has gone through can be a powerful remedy for those who believe they've been born in the wrong bodies, no one should approach the process lightly. "Transition is based on careful treatment with a qualified therapist to discuss their readiness to take such a step," says Lahana.

Before she recommends a client to a physician for hormone treatment, Lahana, whose clients range in age from 16 to 60, says she conducts an extensive evaluation. It is based on guidelines set out by the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association (http://www.hbigda.org), an interdisciplinary board of specialists based in Minneapolis, Minn., that has set the standards of care for several decades.

Lahana says that her transgender clients often have difficulty getting such therapy covered by insurance companies, some of which have specific wording in their contracts that prohibit treatments for gender-identity disorders. Therefore, many of them pay for psychological treatments, hormones and surgeries themselves.

 

Glad to know we don't!

ACROSS THE river in Northampton at Smith College, which had steadfastly held onto its all-female tradition despite the trend for single-sex schools to go coed, the situation has an added dimension. While Smith has a reputation as a lesbian-friendly campus, the college has struggled to decide how transgender students fit in, if at all.
Last spring, the Student Government Association (SGA) asked the student body to change the student government constitution so that it contained only gender-neutral pronouns. During the debate preceding the vote, concerns were raised that such a move would steer Smith in the direction of coeducation.
"We are a single-sex college for women," said Maureen Mahoney, dean of the college at Smith. "That's who we admit."
"If other people want to be called something else, fine," said sophomore Esi Cleland. "But as women we should be confident enough not to want to be called something else."  (emphasis mine)


Ah, voices from "Noho," "Lesbianville," and Smith College, the West Point of Lesbian Feminism :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll: 

I just get all goosed up thinking of what progressive gals these women are and how open minded they were when they shoved coed education down the throats of VMI and the Citadel, but the only way a guy   could take any courses at Smith or MHC was to be an employee. Yet for all my usual jabbing at the elitists, I'm the only one in my family to have earned any credits at one of our Ivy (well, Seven Sisters) colleges, and the oldest womyn's school. Hell, I used to call it a girl's college. What do I call either one now?

:embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed::embarrassed: 


(Believe me, I've done plenty of that while working at Mount Holyoke College in its library, particularly the last few years when the PC inmates really took over the asylum.) Here's a few things I've taken out of the local fishwraps, which unfortunately are all flaming liberal on this sort of stuff. It's a monopoly situation.

THOU SHALT NOT BE JUDGMENTAL is the 11th and probably the most unforgiveable command any of these socially whacked liberals can think of. Killing babies, well--they were going to contribute to overpopulation and make it harder for the world to go completely green. Kill off old folks. Well, hey,  gotta take the kids to Disney World and with gas going at 10 bucks a gallon, and granny's really up there and we really can't keep paying for all those old folks sponging off the taxrolls: we're hard working taxpayers. Somebody's gotta be held "accountable" for my taxes rising, and I'll have to do my "patriotic duty" and call that duty nurse at Happy Valley home ... Well, ONE MUST NOT BE JUDGMENTAL! VERBOTEN!!

Any chance we won't get punished for at least rolling our eyes?

NEIN! sagt FRIEA!

Even Wagner would find Smith and MHC scary!



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