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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 11:07 pm |
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http://www.thebostonpilot.com/articleopinion.asp?ID=5155
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 02:24 am |
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As the oldest of twelve, I grew up attending (protestant) church every Sunday from the time I was a baby. Sure, small children can be hard to handle in a service, but they can also be trained. I have watched my parents train my smaller siblings to sit still in church for years, and they were always successful. An interesting note - in my protestant church, most of the families dropped their kids at Sunday school on the way to the service, and I always had a problem with this division of the family in worship; in my Catholic church, almost every family keeps thier children, even infants and toddlers, with them in mass, and I like that a lot.
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 01:36 pm |
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It seems to be much more common for catholic families to keep their small ones with them during mass, than it is for protestant families to keep theirs during church service. I love to see toddlers come in and genuflect! They make the sign of the cross. I know that the protestant children are in a room where they are being told Bible stories, and they are coloring in books with Bible stories, and they are being taught how to live the ten commandments at their level (always tell the truth, obey your parents, share with others). Those are good and valuable lessons. But the catholic children are in a worship service, the mass, the real thing. I like the above article link very much. Parents who struggle with squirmmy little bodies and try to keep them quiet during mass should be recognized as heroes!
Something I posted on an earlier thread: "Speaking of babies, there is the cutest young couple who sit by me Sunday mornings with a newborn. They "move in" to the pew with diaper bags, snugglie carrier, all kinds of things, and one little baby! Then they get up and down whenever it makes a peep. But I like the way catholics bring babies and small children into mass, making them part of the overall "family." In my old church, all small children were put in elaborate nurseries until about four years old. We even had silent beepers for parents so they could be notified if there was a problem in the nursery with their child. Catholic children learn to be respectful and reverent. This past Sunday, there was a toddler who stood on a pew (being held by his Dad) ahead of me and he was spellbound by the consecration. It held his attention for the longest time, I was amazed. I love to see the smallest children come in making the sign of the cross with their little hands and genuflecting! Here's to all the catholic parents who struggle to keep a toddler in mass instead of parking them in the nursery!"
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 02:32 pm |
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My daughter spends Mass in the Parish Hall with a babysitter, coloring and playing with the other Catholic toddlers. She's 3. I bring her back in towards the end of the Mass, when folks are still praying after having received, and she witnesses the very end of the Mass.
I loved the article.
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 05:42 pm |
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As a mom with a 7-year-old son with ADHD and a 9-year old daughter, I can remember some tough times with the kids at Mass. But my kids are one very big reason we are Catholic and not Episcopalians.
I sing in choir at the EC where my husband has worked for 17 years. When my daughter came we put her in the nursery there on Sundays and I went on singing. When my son was born this continued. Everyone else seemed to be doing the same thing.
When the kids were preschoolers, I volunteered to help with Sunday School, called Godly Play. It was one of the best programs there is--it's Montessori based and the kids really grasp their identity as the People of God in the activities (NO coloring pages!). But the whole point was to prepare them to come into the "big church" when they were old enough. In fact, if a parish can manage it, this program is excellent for helping preschoolers understand what's going on in Mass. For me, it was an opportunity to re-examine the same lessons I was presenting to the children and apply them in my own life.
When Lucy was entering 2nd grade at the Catholic school the kids now attend, I started to talk with the Catholic paster about RCIA. I'd been teaching there for two years by then. I sensed, even without taking the sacrament, that the Mass was more "real" than what we'd been doing at the EC. I wanted to continue to grow in an active, challenging faith, not in a "designer" church that just tried to keep everyone happy. I wanted that for my children, too. Lucy and I both had our First Communion that year.
If that priest in the article came up to me and asked whose child that was, I would say, "This child belongs to Jesus, and that is why I brought her here." But the truth is, our pastor would never do that. We are so lucky to have a parish that is family-centered -- in fact a statue of the Holy Family is the focal point of our courtyard!
As Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them."
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 05:45 pm |
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I have taken my four-year old grandson to Mass twice. The worst he did either time was go to sleep.
Haydon was fascinated by the procession, the incense, everything.
I have a dear friend who really struggles with taking her youngest to Mass. She (the friend, the mom) is very self-conscious about her daughter's behavior and has a really hard time concentrating on the service. Her parish does not have a "cry room" either.
I try to think of her with love whenever I am tempted to get aggravated at the sound of a rambunctious child.
Excellent article, thanks for posting it!
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 08:28 pm |
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I understand that some children are not going to cooperate no matter what! My own grandchildren would turn the place upside down. But then, they haven't been taken to church regularly. I think every parent has to make that decision based on their own situation. But it is good to see the little ones there.
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 08:39 pm |
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I just have to ask... If a young child, under 2 let's say, were screaming throughout the Mass, would you not take the child outside? An occasional holler here and there I can tolerate, but when parents let their children make a lot of loud noises for more than 5 or 10 minutes, I think it's time to take them out simply out of consideration for those who are unable to hear and are distracted by all the noise. Surely there is a middle ground here.
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 08:59 pm |
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| I'm quite partial to the little ones. During Vacation Bible School, we have a half-day schedule for the 4 year olds. I sat with about twenty of them in the front pews for the entire week and I can say they completely shocked me with their good behavior. Plus, they knew when to kneel, to stand, and some even knew some of the responses. Of course, I had quite a few that played with the pencils and what have you, but for the most part, they were angels.
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 11:55 pm |
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Ali wrote: http://www.thebostonpilot.com/articleopinion.asp?ID=5155
Take a minute to click the link, I love what he said!
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It is a fabulous article, Ali. Thanks for the link.
We had a church full of babies today (it was "baptism day") and they were all amazingly well behaved. The little boy sitting in front of me was exceptionally beautiful. since his mom managed to survive having me as a religious ed teacher in three different years.
Our pastor was "off his game" today. I think he was so prepared for all those crying babies that it threw him for a loop when they literally didn't make a sound through the entire mass!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 12:12 am |
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I tried bringing my toddler in with me for the entire Mass today, instead of just for the end of it. We started out in the cry room during the readings and the sermon, and after the recitation of the Nicene Creed, made our way out for the rest of Mass. She was a very well-behaved little girl. 
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 12:27 am |
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JillD wrote: I just have to ask... If a young child, under 2 let's say, were screaming throughout the Mass, would you not take the child outside? An occasional holler here and there I can tolerate, but when parents let their children make a lot of loud noises for more than 5 or 10 minutes, I think it's time to take them out simply out of consideration for those who are unable to hear and are distracted by all the noise. Surely there is a middle ground here.
But who looks after the other 4 kids while Mom takes the 2yo outside?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 12:27 am |
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Daffodil wrote: I tried bringing my toddler in with me for the entire Mass today, instead of just for the end of it. We started out in the cry room during the readings and the sermon, and after the recitation of the Nicene Creed, made our way out for the rest of Mass. She was a very well-behaved little girl.
I think kids would generally be better behaved if they could see what's going on. Where they typically sit, about the only thing they can see is the rear ends of all the adults surrounding them. Sit them on the aisle or in the front row and they'll be able to see what's happening, and it will be much more likely to keep their attention.
After all, if all you ever saw in church was someone else's butt, and heard nothing but big words you didn't understand, why would you want to pay attention?
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 01:18 am |
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| As I was watching some of the mass with Pope Benedict today from Austria, the camera caught a toddler playing on the floor at the back of the cathedral, during the mass! Also, when the Pope first entered the cathedral in the procession he went over to a baby, and blessed it, or maybe kissed it, I know he went immediately to it. It's a universal dilemma! Or Blessing!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 10:13 am |
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Marsha, that makes me so happy! It's almost like when the disciples tried to keep the little children (the word really means babies, toddlers, or young preschoolers) from Jesus (I can picture them grumblings: "those little kids are noisy and whining, they distract people from Jesus' teaching and take away time when he could be preaching. Plus, they don't understand what's going on here, so why should they be here at all? Their mothers should just take them back home where they belong") and Jesus said "suffer the little children to come to me and do not prevent them," and proceeded to take them into his lap and kiss and bless them. So, in this whole discussion, we have to remember that Jesus left us his example here.
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| I don't believe children under the age of reason should be in Mass, especially when they are disruptive. I have attended many Masses which were disrupted from start to finish. The cry room wasn't used. Children were babbling constantly, crawling around the kneeler, banging it up and down, babies crying, children talking, adults talking, cell phones going off (what part of "turn off your cell phones" don't you understand), how irreverent we have become. Disgraceful.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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| I repectfully disagree. I believe all children should be familiar with the mass. I don't think they should be allowed to go on disrupting, most churches have cry rooms, and they can slip outside for a few minutes. They may not fully understand what is going on, but we would be surprised how much they take in, and later it will be meaningful to them. I have no recollection of when my mother began taking me to church. Because she always did, from infancy on. Being in church was as second nature to me as home. I knew where the cracks in the ceiling were, the smell of the basement where the childrens Sunday School was, where the good water fountain was! As I studied the sanctuary walls and windows, baptismal, choir, even the light fixtures, I was hearing scripture and prayer and good ole fashioned preaching!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:30 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: Daffodil wrote: I tried bringing my toddler in with me for the entire Mass today, instead of just for the end of it. We started out in the cry room during the readings and the sermon, and after the recitation of the Nicene Creed, made our way out for the rest of Mass. She was a very well-behaved little girl.
I think kids would generally be better behaved if they could see what's going on. Where they typically sit, about the only thing they can see is the rear ends of all the adults surrounding them. Sit them on the aisle or in the front row and they'll be able to see what's happening, and it will be much more likely to keep their attention.
After all, if all you ever saw in church was someone else's butt, and heard nothing but big words you didn't understand, why would you want to pay attention?
My wee one stands on the kneeler and looks all around. Our church is wider than it is long, so we all get a good seat, regardless of where we sit. 
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:57 pm |
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Annie wrote: I don't believe children under the age of reason should be in Mass, especially when they are disruptive. I have attended many Masses which were disrupted from start to finish. The cry room wasn't used. Children were babbling constantly, crawling around the kneeler, banging it up and down, babies crying, children talking, adults talking, cell phones going off (what part of "turn off your cell phones" don't you understand), how irreverent we have become. Disgraceful.
Annie, I see much of this behavior, too, and it disturbs me. It's as if many Catholics have completely forgotten Who is there and why they are there. My daughter has begun attending an Anglo-Catholic church and she commented on how much more reverent it was than when she went with me to the Catholic Church.
I'm thrilled to read about the little ones who do behave beautifully at Mass. I have no problem with children being in the Mass, but when they're disturbing everyone for more than a few minutes, it's inconsiderate to just let them go on and on. They're not getting much of anything from the Mass (other than hearing their voices echo which I have observed them doing) and they are detracting from everyone else's focus. And if a mom has 5 kids there, it's probably the youngest one making the most noise. Set the oldest one in charge, and take the little one out for a few minutes. Or bring a friend to church and let them be in charge for a few minutes. It's a solveable problem.
I would be surprised if those of you who like kids in Mass came to our 10 AM Mass and didn't find the behavior to be at least a bit inconsiderate and disrespectful. (This of the adults. Babies can't be blamed for crying.) That's why I go at 8 AM and have solved the problem for myself.
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(This is almost a bigger can-o-worms than the Harry Potter discussion!)
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 11:22 pm |
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In my opinion, I would rather see a young mother with a gaggle of children in church than staying home.
If there is a viable alternative to her bringing unruly children I would recommend it. But if that option is not available, I will gladly put up with the antics of her children rather than send her home.
But that's only my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 01:24 am |
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I think we should also rethink what being reverent is about. Is it total silence at the cost of not allowing our future catholics into mass? If we are serious about being open to life then we need to come to terms with life as it really is. Normal banter and wiggling around is not, in my opinion, irreverent. No one is saying a child should be allowed to scream and shout and run around like a hooligan. But I have never witnessed a child being allowed to continue crying or making a large disturbance. I have witnessed children who have obviously been taught well, that they are in a place where their behaviour is expected to be above average. I'm so used to noisy grandchildren who all demand attention at the same time, I can tune it out and go into my "serenity mode" without thinking about it. 
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Annie wrote: I don't believe children under the age of reason should be in Mass, especially when they are disruptive. I have attended many Masses which were disrupted from start to finish. The cry room wasn't used. Children were babbling constantly, crawling around the kneeler, banging it up and down, babies crying, children talking, adults talking, cell phones going off (what part of "turn off your cell phones" don't you understand), how irreverent we have become. Disgraceful.
To follow your line of reasoning, then mentally retarded (sorry if that's not the currently PC term) would also be banned from Mass.
A lot of what you mentioned is a lack or respect in adult people. Babies cannot be blamed for making noises. Yes, sometimes it is appropriate for parents to take their kids. I myself took my 6 yo to the back last Mass because he didn't want to stand up. His legs were so tired. So we went to the back and stood for the entire rest of the service. He didn't get to put give the offering to the "dollar guy" or shake hands with people. {shakes head} It's a constant struggle, no matter what their age, somedays.
It's so much easier, though, to train up a child from infancy than to suddenly thrust it on them when they are 5, 6, or 7.
I do have a responsibility to keep my kids focused, in age appropriate ways, during Mass. If a kid were being unreasonably loud for long periods of time, we would step to the back until the child calmed down. I admit it does bother me when babies are full out crying and cannot be calmed down and not removed.
Oh, and something to keep in mind, if you see a mom or dad struggling, offer to help!! Hold your hands out to take the baby, pull something out of your purse to give the kid to ocupy it. Keep little books close by to offer. Q takes little "god books" to church, and if we sit close to another family, I always offer these to the children. On days that I struggled with Quinten, mainly in public not church, it made things so much smoother is someone just offered me a kind word. It's as simple as saying you understand, or remember what it was like with littles.
It was funny this past Saturday at Mass, Father had some recorded churchy music playing before hand and that was distracting as all get out to me. I couldn't focus on my prayers or concentrate. But Q beside me touching me, interupting me, talking to himself wasn't at all disruptive. LOL
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JillD wrote: Annie, I see much of this behavior, too, and it disturbs me. It's as if many Catholics have completely forgotten Who is there and why they are there. My daughter has begun attending an Anglo-Catholic church and she commented on how much more reverent it was than when she went with me to the Catholic Church.
Yes, this is merely a symptom of the much larger problem of the Me Generation, aren't my children wonderful as they scream all throughout the Eucharistic Prayer, nobody listens to that thing anyway, right, we are here to see our friends. Contrast that with behavior at a Tridentine Mass where the social mores previous to the Me Generation are still in effect.
One wonders if this deplorable situation hasn't been exacerbated by the large influx of Protestants (gasp!) who bring different social values to Mass and may not really understand the concept of vertical worship.
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Annie wrote: JillD wrote: Annie, I see much of this behavior, too, and it disturbs me. It's as if many Catholics have completely forgotten Who is there and why they are there. My daughter has begun attending an Anglo-Catholic church and she commented on how much more reverent it was than when she went with me to the Catholic Church.
Yes, this is merely a symptom of the much larger problem of the Me Generation, aren't my children wonderful as they scream all throughout the Eucharistic Prayer, nobody listens to that thing anyway, right, we are here to see our friends. Contrast that with behavior at a Tridentine Mass where the social mores previous to the Me Generation are still in effect.
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