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Posted: Sat Aug 11th, 2007 10:18 pm |
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Washington DC, Aug 10, 2007 / 10:51 am (CNA).- Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani seems to want to have it both ways when it comes to being Catholic. As he campaigns for president, the Republican frontrunner brings up his Catholic background occasionally but refuses to say whether or not he is a practicing Catholic.
When a voter asked this week if he is a ''traditional, practicing Roman Catholic,'' Giuliani insisted his faith should be private, according to the AP.
"'My religious affiliation, my religious practices and the degree to which I am a good or not-so-good Catholic, I prefer to leave to the priests,'' the former New York mayor responded in Davenport, Iowa.
It would be difficult for him to answer yes. Someone who, like Giuliani, divorces and remarries without getting an annulment from the church cannot receive communion or other church sacraments.
Nevertheless, AP-Ipsos surveys in June and July found that about 25 percent of Catholics support Giuliani, with 22 percent remaining undecided.
While Democrats are talking more about faith in the 2008 campaign, Republicans, at least Romney and Giuliani, are not. Yet Giuliani brings up his Catholic upbringing when it suits him.
''My first class without prayers was my first day of law school,'' he said last month in Le Mars, Iowa, drawing chuckles from voters at a family restaurant, the AP reported.
''I believe in God,'' Giuliani said. ''I pray and ask him for help. I pray like a lawyer. I try to make a deal -- get me out of this jam, and I'll start going back to church.''
As a boy Giuliani was a devout Catholic. In fact, after graduating from Brooklyn's Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School in 1961, he decided to enter the seminary. However, a couple of months later he changed his mind, deciding he was more interested in girls, he wrote in his 2002 book ''Leadership.''
What is most problematic for the former New York mayor is his marital history. The most controversial relationship was his marriage to Donna Hanover. The relationship was abruptly cut off when Hanover discovered Giuliani’s intention to divorce her from an announcement he made at a press conference.
There is some debate as to whether Giuliani’s marital life should be part of the campaign debate, but Stephen Dillard, a conservative blogger, responds, ''The way he treated his wife gives us insight into how he views the role of family, how he views marriage, how he views the church's teaching on adultery and divorce.”
Religious scholars say that Giuliani's willingness to talk about some, but not all, aspects of his faith is inconsistent.
"'If you identify yourself that way in a public forum and then try to shut down any questions, that's not going to work,'' said the Rev. James Heft, religion professor and president of the Institute for Advanced Catholic Studies at the University of Southern California.Giuliani also finds himself at odds with his sometimes advantageous faith on the issue of abortion. Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, RI made news in June when he criticized Giuliani's position, calling it pathetic, confusing and hypocritical.
The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12th, 2007 12:41 am |
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| It seems to me that I have seen him on or near the front row during Mass on special EWTN programs from a cathedral back east and I believe he received with the rest of the attendees.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13th, 2007 08:09 pm |
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 12:37 am |
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Wasn't Guliani married to his second cousin?
After doing some research on this topic of cousins marrying, I am finding out that this is not as uncommon as I thought. Therefore, I sincerely apologize to anyone that I may have offended.
http://www.thebluestate.com/2007/02/smoking_gun_giu.html
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 02:10 am |
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| And you point is ????????????????
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 09:30 am |
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Just a little more insight into the man's character.
Good post here also: http://chnetwork.org/forums/forum54/1300.html
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Posted: Wed Aug 15th, 2007 10:41 am |
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Good point. I have wondered about having a man in that office that has been married that many times. Such behavior could suggest that there may be some problems in the area of judgment or perhaps a tendency to be a quitter. ......... Just wondering......
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 01:37 am |
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BodRod wrote: Good point. I have wondered about having a man in that office that has been married that many times. Such behavior could suggest that there may be some problems in the area of judgment or perhaps a tendency to be a quitter. ......... Just wondering......
There is little that I found myself agreeing with when Ross Perot ran for president, but one thing he said made a lot of sense to me.
If he found out someone in his organization was cheating in their marriage, he fired them. He said something like, "Your marriage is the most important thing in your life. If your spouse can't trust you, how can I? And I won't keep someone I can't trust."
Not only did he openly cheat on his wife, he has cheated on his faith. I can't trust him. He won't get my vote in the primary. I would probably vote for him in the general election because I would consider him the lesser of evils against any of the democrats running today. Then again, I might stay home or look for a third party.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 01:51 am |
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I was shopping around in the Net the other day and I found a Gandalf 2008 bumper sticker. Sounds like a good candidate to me!!
Seriously, is there a pro-life candidate who has a chance this time around? What do y'all think?
(Is that an appropriate question for this board?)
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 02:11 am |
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heardclarke wrote: (Is that an appropriate question for this board?)
It is appropriate to discuss how the candidates records and platforms agree or disagree with Catholic teaching and doctrine, but the discussion really should be in the Social and Political Questions forum.
You are welcomed to start such a thread.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 04:08 am |
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What do you all think of Romney?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 09:35 am |
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BodRod wrote: What do you all think of Romney?
Why don't we start a thread in the Social and Political Questions forum, and we can discuss all the candidates......
I'll get it started.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 02:27 pm |
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Thanks Rick! I'll check it out--
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