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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 03:40 pm |
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ROME, July 23 (CNA) - In an interview with the Italian daily Il Messaggero, the director of the German language programming for Vatican Radio, Jesuit Father Eberhard von Gemminger, said he hopes future popes will be elected by a College of Cardinals in which at least half of the members are women.
Why not dream that sixty illustrious women could elect the Pope? I would be happy to see sixty male and sixty female cardinals in the Sistine Chapel, the German Jesuit said in reference to the total number of permitted cardinal-electors.
Father Von Gemminger said he thought it was improbable that the Vatican would immediately open the doors to women cardinals, but he added, perhaps it will happen in ten years, since the change in mentality will come, even if slowly.
The German Jesuit argued that throughout history it has not been necessary to be a priest in order to be named a cardinal. Therefore, Why not think that in the future there will be women cardinals? he asked.
In the past centuries, members of the laity were eligible to become cardinals but current Church law stipulates that cardinals must be priests or bishops.
Pope John Paul II named several priests to the College of Cardinals, including Dominican theologian Father Ives Congar, Jesuits Father Henri de Lubac and Father Avery Dulles, and Father Hans Urs Von Baltazar, all of whom were above the age of 80 and thus ineligible to vote.
The College of Cardinals is currently made up of 183 members, of which 105 are cardinal-electors.
The above article is reposted with permission of the Catholic News Agency.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 07:28 pm |
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That would require major renovations to the Sistine Chapel.
  
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 08:16 pm |
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So, ...... has Father Eberhard von Gemminger been in an accident lately or perhaps off his medicine??? 
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 09:14 pm |
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Posted: Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 09:47 pm |
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JasPax wrote: That would require major renovations to the Sistine Chapel.
Anyone else have a feeling we'll have someone else in charge of German language programming at Vatican Radio very soon?
Perhaps a woman?
It is an interesting speculation, though. Theoretically we could have women and lay men as cardinals. And I don't think there would be any renovations needed at the Sistine Chapel, as I believe each cell has private toilet facilities. If not, all 120 potential electors plus needed staff cannot share a single set of facilities, so it would just be a matter of relabeling some.
This is a matter of discipline, so a pope could do it with the stroke of a pen. Somehow, I don' t think it's likely we'll see it happen with the German Shepherd in charge. Even the thought is barking up the wrong tree.
A new director of German language programming, on the other hand, just became increasingly likely IMHO.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2007 01:31 am |
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Statistically, when looking at the total documented number of non-ordained holding positions in the hierarchy over the history of the Church, it is exceedingly infinitesimal.
The macro identity / realization of the hierarchy is male, yet local Church operations, ( ie., parishes) are directly run predominantly by the apostolate of female laity, ( CCD, youth, DRE's, Choir, parish secretaries, .....), the Church is influenced by females, they're called Mothers. Every cleric has a mother.
Unfortunately, the cultural model is what Fr. von Gemminger is appealing to, and at it's base is an appeal to a perceived power, which is always at best a sterile substitute. The Marian model is rejected by the prevailing culture. The Theology of the Body is the universal and historical schematic and guide to Freedom.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25th, 2007 10:10 pm |
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BodRod wrote: So, ...... has Father Eberhard von Gemminger been in an accident lately or perhaps off his medicine???
I had a similar thought cross my mind Criff!
For the life of me, I've not ever figured out. The only church that holds a women in such high regard as the CC does our lady. Teaches a supreme respect of women of women that even looking upon a women as an object is a confessable sin. And most feminest would just have a fit about churches teaching on our lady and turn around and criticize the churches teaching on women. I believe the bible is very self explanitory and the evedents overwelming. Women have their legitamate place in the structure of the church.
When I was younger I hated being a women. Now that I'm a Catholic, I feel that I am respected as a women and my efforts to support the church are very much appreciated. Catholic women are given the highest respect in my opinion from catholic men and priest & bishops included.
I've never felt so good about being a women in my life. My own husband treats me different and with a whole new respect.
Just my opinion, My joy is in what ever God has chosen for my vocation!
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Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2007 12:17 am |
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I agree with you Betty. In fact, I had a good discussion about this today with a lady I've been working with the past couple of weeks. She has been through a very traumatic life, abuse, divorce, trouble with alcohol, and today she was going on about the lack of spirituality in "organized religion." That seems to be the going phrase now for demeaning the church as "organized religion." Then we got into the area of women, men, the church. I had a good opportunity to put forth the church teachings about Mary and the "new ark of the covenant." About men being given the authority to head the church and their homes (the domestic church) and how they should look to Joseph as their role models for being protectors of the home, as servant- leaders not tyrant-leaders. She is very bitter about life and men in general. She is very pro-choice and of course pro-contraception. I explained a little about Mary and her unique position as the Mother of God and the perfect role model for women; including the value of women as the bearers of life for Christ. I was glad to have an opportunity to talk with someone about this. I think many people have the wrong idea about the catholic church and women. Part of the problem is when you are trying to explain to people you have to take sufficient time to get it all in, because it's all part of the same ball of wax so to speak. One part doesn't make as much sense without hearing the other parts. As for women bishops or cardinals, please. Who is out there with the time to think up all this malarkey?
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Credo Catholic wrote: I agree with you Betty. In fact, I had a good discussion about this today with a lady I've been working with the past couple of weeks. She has been through a very traumatic life, abuse, divorce, trouble with alcohol, and today she was going on about the lack of spirituality in "organized religion." That seems to be the going phrase now for demeaning the church as "organized religion." Then we got into the area of women, men, the church. I had a good opportunity to put forth the church teachings about Mary and the "new ark of the covenant." About men being given the authority to head the church and their homes (the domestic church) and how they should look to Joseph as their role models for being protectors of the home, as servant- leaders not tyrant-leaders. She is very bitter about life and men in general. She is very pro-life and of course pro-contraception. I explained a little about Mary and her unique position as the Mother of God and the perfect role model for women; including the value of women as the bearers of life for Christ. I was glad to have an opportunity to talk with someone about this. I think many people have the wrong idea about the catholic church and women. Part of the problem is when you are trying to explain to people you have to take sufficient time to get it all in, because it's all part of the same ball of wax so to speak. One part doesn't make as much sense without hearing the other parts. As for women bishops or cardinals, please. Who is out there with the time to think up all this malarkey?
Marsha
I'm so glad that you had the opportunity to talk with this lady. She has probably been so wounded in her life that it's really hard for her to make sense of it all. Your right! we do have to explain all the part, inorder to make the whole.
I am really content with being a female Catholic. I love working in the kitchen at the church, when I'm able and I love practicing the life of a prayer warrior. My husband & I are so much happier now that I have become catholic, we don't have fights of tug a war with one another vieing for who is in charge around here and I am really at peace to be his wife, partner and let him make most of our major decisions. He treats me with so much more respect, affection and comforts and cares for my needs with being chronically ill. He would of never done that in the past. His not made a full return to the church, but it is very evident that the HS is working on him all the time.
We are so blessed with the churches teaching as it is. I also had speculated and pondered the idea of what happened approx 500 yrs ago when some of our christian family listened to a German gentleman . Where exactly did that get us??????:?
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Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2007 03:50 am |
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BettyBoopToo wrote: I also had speculated and pondered the idea of what happened approx 500 yrs ago when some of our christian family listened to a German gentleman. Where exactly did that get us??????:?
Very good point, Betty!!!
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Posted: Thu Jul 26th, 2007 09:39 pm |
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| Okay BodRod, who is the beautiful child?!
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| That is #1 Great-grand-baby. 5months old.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27th, 2007 01:28 am |
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| She's a beautiful baby. I know you and your family are enjoying having her around! There's nothing like having a baby in the house to bring joy and laughter. What a blessing.
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BodRod wrote: That is #1 Great-grand-baby. 5months old.
OK, I've scrolled up and down and cannot see the baby?
Why didn't I get to see the baby??????:?:?:?:?
Congrads for the new little one, Marsha is exactly right, every family needs a new baby around, We just had a new great neice a coupld months ago.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27th, 2007 12:11 pm |
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Betty, look for a big teddy bear and the baby is in front of it!
I agree with you about enjoying being a catholic woman. The only thing is, I'm not the most domestic woman around! My husband cooks more and better than I do, but I know how to change the air filter on the lawnmower and when there's painting or wallpapering to be done, I'm the person. We just divided up things according to what we do best! When we first got married, I didn't know how to boil water. Seriously. I'm sure my first biscuits are still out there somewhere, being used as paving tiles or something. But all major decisions usually go to him, with my input. Life is too short and too precious to bicker over anything. Even my conversion to catholicism has been accepted, or should I say tolerated, with little true argument. I think we have learned to have a healthy respect for each other. But that has been helped by my efforts (however humble they are) to model myself after the Blessed Virgin Mary. Her patience, love and generosity and selflessness are what I strive for.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27th, 2007 01:09 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: Betty, look for a big teddy bear and the baby is in front of it!
I don't see it either. Is it posted in a message?
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| I think I will go to the store today and get some HUGE knitting needles to stick in all your dolls except Marsha's !!!!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 04:28 am |
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You guys-
It's under his name to the left.
One thing about how the RCC teaches the dignity and specialness of woman, is that now I miss the fact that I don't get that more than I did before. I had learned to make due with what I had, but since coming back to the Catholic Church, I am really wanting to be treated the way Jesus says I should. I want to be cherished, honored, and respected, and I want my marital relations to be full of love and open to life. Since I don't feel like I experiance those things, it makes me resentful. One more cause for conflict around here.
Oh well, maybe cancer will change that!
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In the past centuries, members of the laity were eligible to become cardinals but current Church law stipulates that cardinals must be priests or bishops.
Interesting. I did not know that. So, I should take it that Cardinal is not part of Holy Orders as Bishop and Priest are?
I guess you learn something new everyday. I had always been under the impression that Cardinal was a step up after Bishop.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 10:05 am |
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Kayla wrote: I guess you learn something new everyday. I had always been under the impression that Cardinal was a step up after Bishop.
Nope. There are three levels of Holy Orders: Deacon, Priest, and Bishop. One cannot be more "bishop" than bishop. Other titles have to do with authority. An archbishop is the leader of a province in addition to his own diocese. A cardinal is an advisor to the pope and, if under 80, an elector of the pope.
A physician may be head of his department, but he is no more a physician than any other doctor. A lawyer may be chief justice of the Supreme Court but he's still a lawyer. A bishop is a successor to the apostles, and even the pope is not "more" of a bishop than any other bishop.
The pope does have to be a bishop after he is elected, but not before. If the person elected as pope is not already a bishop when he accepts the position, he is ordained on the spot by the cardinal-bishops who are present, before he is introduced to the world. When he steps on the balcony he is the bishop of Rome as well as the head of the universal Church. The pope does not have to be a cardinal, either. At least theoretically, any man may be elected as pope.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 10:34 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: Credo Catholic wrote: Betty, look for a big teddy bear and the baby is in front of it!
I don't see it either. Is it posted in a message?
What a crack up or maybe we're crack pots. LOL
I found the baby finally. She is absolutely beautiful. What a blessing to your family.
Betty Thanks for sharing her!
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Truthseeker wrote: You guys-
It's under his name to the left.
One thing about how the RCC teaches the dignity and specialness of woman, is that now I miss the fact that I don't get that more than I did before. I had learned to make due with what I had, but since coming back to the Catholic Church, I am really wanting to be treated the way Jesus says I should. I want to be cherished, honored, and respected, and I want my marital relations to be full of love and open to life. Since I don't feel like I experiance those things, it makes me resentful. One more cause for conflict around here.
Oh well, maybe cancer will change that!
Love, Laura
I know what you mean. This is something I spend a lot of time thinking about. My own marriage has been quite rocky at times, so has my daughter's. It seems like the men are always the last to get it, right? I'm sure we are supposed to follow the teachings of Christ as wives because He taught us truth and His will. Probably by doing that then the good relationship should follow. Well, maybe and maybe not. We can't change our husbands but Christ can. So by treating the husband with love and respect even when he's being a horse's rear end, we are honoring Jesus. I don't mean being a doormat. Jesus never said we should do that. But He did say to be submissive, so I think we have to do that with dignity and sobriety and honor, and love. And a little humor. Then, expect to be treated with dignity and sobriety and honor and love. Is this wishful thinking? I'm wondering what some of the rest of you think about it? Can catholic women really be held to a higher standard because of our connection to Mary? Do catholic men take seriously the reasons for not using contraception, and do they understand or admire it when we strive to model ourselves after the Blessed Virgin Mary?
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Truthseeker wrote: It's under his name to the left.
That explains it. My monitor is in the process of going out. It's very dark, and I can't make out details in the picture. I see two figures, but I can't make out what they are.
A new monitor is on the top of my list after I get my bills caught up!
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Truthseeker wrote:
One thing about how the RCC teaches the dignity and specialness of woman, is that now I miss the fact that I don't get that more than I did before. I had learned to make due with what I had, but since coming back to the Catholic Church, I am really wanting to be treated the way Jesus says I should. I want to be cherished, honored, and respected, and I want my marital relations to be full of love and open to life. Since I don't feel like I experiance those things, it makes me resentful. One more cause for conflict around here.
Oh well, maybe cancer will change that!
Love, Laura (((((((((WE DO))))))))
Laura:
I know that you have suffered a great deal in the past with Personal relationships in your life and now you suffer still. You are truely being the bravest woman and sound so at peace with the Lord, Our Lady and the direction that life is taking you on.
Please know that you do deserve the love and respect and you are such a wonderful lady, I'm truely honored to of made your aquaintance and look forward to having you here and being blessed by hearing your words and your sharing your suffering & faith with us.
I was wondering though? Have you ever read any books on St. Monica? She is saint Augustine's mother. She is my patron saint and also a truely amazing mother & wife who suffered with an abusive husband, a horrible mean and nasty mother in-law that treated her terrible and St. Monica ended up caring for her in the last days of her life, and converting both her MIL & husband before they died. And then before St. Augustine's re-version to the Catholic Church, he had gotten involved in all kinds of bad things. Had a son out of wed-lock, drinking and ...........
Her Patronage is:
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abuse victims; alcoholics; alcoholism; difficult marriages; disappointing children; homemakers; housewives; Mabini, Bohol, Philippines; married women; mothers; victims of adultery; victims of unfaithfulness; victims of verbal abuse; widows; wives
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