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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 12:50 am |
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Can anyone educate us on the subject of nominalism? How has it influenced Protestantism? What does it look like?
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 12:58 am |
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David Emery addressed this waaayyyy back in 2006. 
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 01:01 am |
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Intercessor wrote: David Emery addressed this waaayyyy back in 2006.
Click here.
Thanks Becky! You rock, girlie! 
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 01:02 am |
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That's what I love about you, Kim.
You see the real me! 
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 01:07 am |
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Intercessor wrote: That's what I love about you, Kim.
You see the real me!
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 01:54 am |
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Bouyer's book, The Spirit and Forms of Protestantism (mentioned in the thread Becky linked to above) can be read on Google and the index page listing all references to nominalism can be found here.
This subject is new to me, and I think it may be a key to unlock some doors for me. Hoping!
Please add anything you'd like to share on this subject. Was understanding nominalism and how it influences modern thought a help to you in "converting" your mind away from Protestant thinking?
I just started reading Bouyer's book about a week ago, and I'm finding it a hard book to stick with. It's written in a very scholarly tone, i.e. boring. Sorry, but it is!  Still, I'll read it because I want to learn of his conclusions. Anyone else have a hard time reading this book, but read it anyway?
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 03:20 am |
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I hate to quote Scott Hahn here (because some have alleged an over reliance upon his teachings), but I think he encapsulates the issue of 'nominalism' pretty well (or at least the aspect of 'voluntarism') in this interview with Peter Mango
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Q: I ask the following since you come fromthe Evangelical tradition. Some Catholics have pointed to the alleged cultural impact made by Calvinism, particularly in the U.S. Some blame it for everything from the extinction of the American Indian to the death penalty. Do you perceive a Calvinist influence, either positive or negative?
A: I would say that America is clearly post-Christian, and so it´s obviously post-Calvinistic. I would identify Calvinism with a kind of religious individualism, but Calvinism itself is only symptomatic of a deeper problem surfacing in a more pervasive and radical form. Namely, the problem of nominalist philosophy, or what is often called the via moderna. The Thomists had defined natural law as an expression of the divine intellect, so that God through his intellect knows the natures he has created, and what those natures need in order to be perfected and fulfilled. Laws proceed from his intellect in such a way that they correspond to what we need to be happy, fulfilled, perfected, laws and authority are the preconditions for freedom and fulfilment in the via antiqua. But in the 1300´s William of Ockham rooted law in God´s will in such a way that law became the arbitrary imposition of a superior power´s will. We have a dialectical relation of polarized tension between authority and freedom, between law and my own individual nature. Machiavelli necessarily follows because in a sense rulers imitate God. You can see the Leviathan of Hobbes, the Contract of Rousseau. Soon "savages" have to find out how to get out from under the "system" to escape the ruthless powers of Leviathan. It´s all breaking away from the Trinity on one level, and from the family on another. Laws had traditionally been understood as the expressions of a loving Father´s will to preserve and perfect the life he had sired, the life of his children. Once we move away from the convenantal, familial, and Trinitarian view of law systematized by Bonaventure and Thomas, we create a philosophical system of distrust, a hermeneutic of suspicion, we are going to look at anybody having authority who advances truth claims with suspicion. We are allergic to authority, we distrust authority, so naturally fatherhood is going to break down, the family is going to break down. Calvinism was only a middle stage. We have to restore unity through the Trinity from above, the family from below, and with the Church mediating in between.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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TotusTuus wrote: I hate to quote Scott Hahn here (because some have alleged an over reliance upon his teachings), but I think he encapsulates the issue of 'nominalism' pretty well (or at least the aspect of 'voluntarism') in this interview with Peter Mango
Click here for full article
I never mind Scott Hahn being mentioned or quoted. Personally, I think he's done wonders for the Catholic Church, opening many doors for Protestants to the ancient faith.
Thanks for the link, Mark, and the quote!
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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This is really good stuff. Thanks to the three of you for discussing this issue. It is something I've been trying to nail down for some time now. I'll look at all the link. I wish I could find Bouyer's book for a little less money. It looks really good.
Thanks again for all the good stuff.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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rbo4u2 wrote: This is really good stuff. Thanks to the three of you for discussing this issue. It is something I've been trying to nail down for some time now. I'll look at all the link. I wish I could find Bouyer's book for a little less money. It looks really good.
Thanks again for all the good stuff.
Rich
I know it's a pain to do, Rich, but can you read the book online? I provided a link to Google where the whole book can be read. Free is cheap!
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:46 pm |
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I know it's a pain to do, Rich, but can you read the book online? I provided a link to Google where the whole book can be read. Free is cheap!
Yeah, I can read it. But I noticed there were big chunks of the book that were left out. It seems they only give you excerpts to read. But there is a lot there that looks good.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:46 pm |
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I remember reading a very good article on nominalism at the Catholic Answers website back when I first got interested in the concept. Just type in nominalism in the seach box, and I know it will take you to the article. There's also a good explanation in Encyclopedia Brittanica.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:59 pm |
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rbo4u2 wrote: Kim M. wrote:
I know it's a pain to do, Rich, but can you read the book online? I provided a link to Google where the whole book can be read. Free is cheap!
Yeah, I can read it. But I noticed there were big chunks of the book that were left out. It seems they only give you excerpts to read. But there is a lot there that looks good.
Aww, rats! Sorry about that! I thought it was all there. I see it does contain a big chunk of the book, but it kind of spoils the effect if you can't read the whole thing, huh? :?
Does your local library system have it?
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 03:00 pm |
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Free wrote: I remember reading a very good article on nominalism at the Catholic Answers website back when I first got interested in the concept. Just type in nominalism in the seach box, and I know it will take you to the article. There's also a good explanation in Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Thanks Jane! I'll hunt those down.
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