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brian
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Posted: Thu Dec 13th, 2007 02:21 pm |
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Seems this issue has come up with me a few times under different questions. I think the answe I usually get is that I should not worry about if my tax money goes to support thigs I do not like, or if Disney supports causes I do not like, nd that I am only goiving money in exchange for services and what the company does with it is their responsibility.
However, if I know that certain companies support planned parenthood to what degree morally should I try not to use their products and support them. Even if it is to no extend required of me, would it not be considered responsible and a good idea to try not to support such institutions? I am the type who wants to be somewhat politically aware and conscious. I do care about how and what my money supports. It is just discuousaring when I look at the list because there are so many companies and products that I could never remember them all. They are basic foods I buy, the bank I use, clothes I wear. It would sem impossible to avoid it all. But to what extent is it admirable if I pick a few or try to remember them all?
For instance, I may not be able to avoid all of them, and who knows what other companies promote or support that I do not even know about, but if I know for instane that my bank may support planned parenthood than I think it may be a good idea to switch banks.
Again, I know that the answer is that it is not required of us to do this, and it is not immoral to shop at certain places etc. but even if it is not necessarily a moral choice, would it not still be better to thnk more carefully and avoid suppporitng certain companies?
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JillD
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Posted: Thu Dec 13th, 2007 08:56 pm |
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I used to pay a LOT of attention to this issue, doing my best to avoid companies that supported abortion/Planned Parenthood. Eventually, when I went to the grocery store, there remained almost nothing I could buy - - - so I gave up. I guess there are a couple of companies I avoid - Levi's, for one. But to avoid all of them is almost as difficult as avoiding the "Made in China" label.
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Credo Catholic
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Posted: Thu Dec 13th, 2007 11:46 pm |
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| When we had our annual drive at work for the United Way, I started earmarking my contribution to a charity I supported instead of giving it to the general fund. There were several agencies on their list that I did not want to give my money toward.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 01:14 am |
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When I can, I also try to target my purchases from family-friendly, eco-friendly companies that support fair-trade practices, etc. I'm not concerned so much about companies that do things for market reasons, like advertising in inappropriate magazines, but when they start donating money or sponsoring events for groups like Planned Parenthood, I'm more likely to try to avoid them. But finances being what they are, I often don't have that choice.
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Ali
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 08:54 am |
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CajunRick wrote: When I can, I also try to target my purchases from family-friendly, eco-friendly companies that support fair-trade practices, etc. I'm not concerned so much about companies that do things for market reasons, like advertising in inappropriate magazines, but when they start donating money or sponsoring events for groups like Planned Parenthood, I'm more likely to try to avoid them. But finances being what they are, I often don't have that choice.
Buying local also appeals to me, in regards to Rick's comment.
Some places I do avoid more than others for the simple fact that I dislike their business practices. Walmart comes to mind. I haven't stepped foot in a WM since June. I'm going for a record! LOL
If you feel strongly enough about it, Brian, then research the businesses you shop at and go with it. Let them know why, as well. One person can make a difference, I really believe that.
This really has me thinking now, I don't do a lot of shopping to begin with at big box stores. And I try to keep my dollars local. I wonder if I could do this as well. Hmmmm . . . .
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Ali
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 10:03 am |
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Here's a link from a Catholic blog with a list of companies, it seems it was updated in the fall of '07
http://catholicprayer.blogspot.com/2006/06/what-companies-support-planned.html
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brian
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 12:18 am |
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Well, I did go and switch my bank today, and I decided I would tell the truth when asked why, but I tried to sort of avoid it at first. The representative was nice about it though disappointed. However, the new bank I went to which was local, I specifically asked them if they supported planned parenthood and he assured me that that would be a bad move for them and they would avoid such a political thing, and they even support a few Catholic events. However, I looked at a plaque on their wall and I noticed it was given to them by the a charitable club which seems to be on the list as wel. So the bank does not support planned parenthood, but they may support someone who kind of supports it. Well the plaque did not say they donated to but thanked them for their service and cooperation whatever that meant. But I figured it would be impossible to know all the possible second hand influence of an investment and decided I should stay with what I chose since if planned parenthood is getting anything they are getting it through a secondary source. But if I know this and the reason I switched banks was to avoid planned parenthood should I now look for another option? I figure it was not immoral anyway necessarily even if my bank was supporting it because it is their decision to do what they will, so it is probably fine for what I was looking for, but still made me a little sad.
I know I can not avoid all the possible companies that may do things I do not like, but I wanted to win at least this one sine I was making a special effort for it.
Brian
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JillD
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Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2007 12:19 pm |
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About the only way you're going to feel clean and pure is to do what my friend, John P., did. He dropped out. He has no connection to society: pays no taxes (which are used to fund abortions and nuclear war), has no driver's license, no Social Security, no checking account or credit cards, no jobs other than cash, rides his bike for transportation, etc.
But I suspect the chances are very low that any of his money goes to Planned Parenthood!
Render to Caesar.....
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beachmoss
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 05:37 pm |
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Ali,
Thanks for the link. Egad! My bank and insurance company are on it. And Sears?!!! Every appliance in my house is a Kenmore!
What worried me the most was seeing Girl Scouts on the list. I'm kinda not surprised, but it does bother me. How are we expected to build girls of "confidence, courage, and character" when our national organization does not support these values? And how can a non-profit support a cause like Planned Parenthood?
Beth
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Ali
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Posted: Sun Dec 16th, 2007 06:01 pm |
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beachmoss wrote: Ali,
Thanks for the link. Egad! My bank and insurance company are on it. And Sears?!!! Every appliance in my house is a Kenmore!
What worried me the most was seeing Girl Scouts on the list. I'm kinda not surprised, but it does bother me. How are we expected to build girls of "confidence, courage, and character" when our national organization does not support these values? And how can a non-profit support a cause like Planned Parenthood?
Beth
Hey Beth,
Very briefly, IRT the Girl Scouts -- Check out the Little Flower organization for girls. It's a Catholic based girls group. Very positive. My dd was in it before she went to school. Much better, IMO, than GS.
Ali
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