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Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 12:42 am |
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Providence Prelate Blasts Giuliani
Calls His Abortion Stance "Pathetic"
PROVIDENCE, Rhode Island, JUNE 5, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Bishop Thomas Tobin blasted Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani in the Rhode Island Catholic newspaper, calling the former New York mayor's position on abortion "pathetic and confusing" and "hypocritical."
In a column published Thursday, Bishop Tobin spoke out against the candidate's positions, citing a speech Giuliani gave at Houston Baptist College.
Giuliani said he believes abortion is morally wrong but that the viewpoints of those who think it is right must be respected.
Bishop Tobin wrote: "Rudy's explanation is a classic expression of the position on abortion we've heard from weak-kneed politicians so frequently in recent years:
"'I'm personally opposed to it but don't want to impose my views on other people.' The incongruity of that position has been exposed many times now. As I've asked previously, would we let any politician get away with the same pathetic cop-out on other issues: 'I'm personally opposed to … racial discrimination, sexual abuse, prostitution, drug abuse, polygamy, incest … but don't want to impose my beliefs on others?'"
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The Providence bishop recalled that Catholics are "required to be pro-life" and said that "Rudy's preposterous position is compounded by the fact that he professes to be a Catholic. […] As a leader, as a public official, Rudy Giuliani has a special obligation in that regard."
The 59-year-old prelate cited a U.S. bishops' document, which says that "if a Catholic in his or her personal or professional life were knowingly and obstinately to repudiate (the Church's) definitive teaching on moral issues, he or she would seriously diminish his or her communion with the Church."
The bishop recalled that Giuliani is not the only Catholic politician who strays from Church teaching.
"Rudy's defection from the Catholic faith on this moral issue is not unique, of course," Bishop Tobin lamented. "Catholic politicians of both parties, nationwide, have followed a similar path in abandoning the faith for the sake of political expediency: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Pat Leahy, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden come quickly to mind. And on a local level, of course, Congressman Patrick Kennedy and Senator Jack Reed.
"How these intelligent men and women will someday stand before the judgment seat of God and explain why they legitimized the death of countless innocent children in the sin of abortion is beyond me." The above article is reposted with permission from Zenit.
____________________ Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand. - Augustine
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Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 12:50 pm |
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All for their policital gain! What's in it for Me attitudes! I guess they want it all...but they can't have it all, now can they?
AMEN,AMEN. To Bishop Tobin
What do these politicians think, that all Catholics are ignorant, that we can't see past their little lies and deceitful ways. It amazes me!
____________________ Our Lady of Fatima said, "Certain fashions will be introduced which will offend Our Divine Lord very much. Those who serve God ought not to follow these fashions."
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Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 02:22 pm |
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Serina wrote: AMEN,AMEN. To Bishop Tobin
God apparently agrees. During last night's debate, when Giuliani was asked about the bishop's remarks, a lightning strike killed his microphone for part of his answer. Guliani's comment was that for a kid who attended Catholic schools, this was frightening.
Maybe God is trying to tell him something!
____________________ Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand. - Augustine
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Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 05:36 pm |
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Giuliani's abortion comment draws lightning from heaven
Manchester, N.H, Jun 6, 2007 / 12:01 pm (CNA).- On Tuesday night a Republican presidential debate was held in New Hampshire between Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. During the course of the debate, the moderator, Wolf Blitzer, asked Giuliani about Bishop Thomas Tobin’s criticism of his position on abortion.
Just as Giuliani attempted to answer, lightning struck the building and caused the sound system to go haywire. When the former mayor tried to answer the question a second time, lightning struck the building again accompanied by a loud clap of thunder. When the other two candidates heard the thunder a second time they both slowly and quietly backed away from Giuliani.
Making light of the situation, Giuliani quipped, "Look, for someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a very frightening thing that's happening right now." The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
____________________ Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand. - Augustine
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Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 03:54 pm |
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I watched the dabate on rerun and missed this part. Darned! Doesn't God have a sense of humor! I just love it. But will Rudy change his position on abortion?
Darlene
____________________ The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. II Corinthians 13:14
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Tina in Ashburn Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 04:49 pm |
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Good one Rick! Thanks for that story!
Maybe there's hope for Giuliani still.
now about all those wives of his...
____________________ Tina
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Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 06:02 pm |
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I'm reading an encyclical from Pope Leo XIII, Mirae caritatis ("Wondrous love", On the Holy Eucharist), from 1902. Paragraph 17 is rather timely, given the number of politicians (Republican, Democrat, or otherwise) who prefer to give their moral consciences the back seat in matters of public policy:
Most abundant, assuredly, are the salutary benefits which are stored up in this most venerable mystery, regarded as a Sacrifice; a Sacrifice which the Church is accordingly wont to offer daily "for the salvation of the whole world." And it is fitting, indeed in this age it is specially important, that by means of the united efforts of the devout, the outward honour and the inward reverence paid to this Sacrifice should be alike increased. Accordingly it is our wish that its manifold excellence may be both more widely known and more attentively considered. There are certain general principles the truth of which can be plainly perceived by the light of reason; for instance, that the dominion of God our Creator and Preserver over all men, whether in their private or in their public life, is supreme and absolute; that our whole being and all that we possess, whether individually or as members of society, comes from the divine bounty; that we on our part are bound to show to God, as our Lord, the highest reverence, and, as He is our greatest benefactor, the deepest gratitude.
But how many are there who at the present day acknowledge and discharge these duties with full and exact observance? In no age has the spirit of contumacy and an attitude of defiance towards God been more prevalent than in our own; an age in which that unholy cry of the enemies of Christ: "We will not have this man to rule over us" (Luke 19:14), makes itself more and more loudly heard, together with the utterance of that wicked purpose: "let us make away with Him" (Luke 20:14); nor is there any motive by which many are hurried on with more passionate fury, than the desire utterly to banish God not only from the civil government, but from every form of human society. And although men do not everywhere proceed to this extremity of criminal madness, it is a lamentable thing that so many are sunk in oblivion of the divine Majesty and of His favours, and in particular of the salvation wrought for us by Christ. Now a remedy must be found for this wickedness on the one hand, and this sloth on the other, in a general increase among the faithful of fervent devotion towards the Eucharistic Sacrifice, than which nothing can give greater honour, nothing be more pleasing, to God. For it is a divine Victim which is here immolated; and accordingly through this Victim we offer to the most blessed Trinity all that honour which the infinite dignity of the Godhead demands; infinite in value and infinitely acceptable is the gift which we present to the Father in His only-begotten son; so that for His benefits to us we not only signify our gratitude, but actually make an adequate return.
Last edited on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 06:06 pm by japhy
____________________ [Mary said,] "Do whatever he tells you." - John 2:5
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Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 06:14 pm |
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oooh. good one japhy. I like Encyclical quotes.
The USA is not a pure democracy where the majority rules. We are a Republic. So when politicians take the "out" that they must vote as those who elected them would vote, they are full of IT. The Republic does not preclude the elected from standing against that which is immoral and unjust.
so there. GO BISHOP TOBIN!!!
____________________ Tina
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