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Posted: Fri Nov 30th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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I have had several requests to begin a thread on Discalced Carmelite Spirituality, especially from my point of view as a Professed Secular member of the Order.
I will begin with a quote from Fr. Aloysius Deeney, OCD, General Delegate for OCDS:
The Secular Order is not conventual nor monastic, but definitely secular. That is, it does not exercise its responsibility in the convent or in the monastery, but in the world (saeculum). The Secular Order is definitely Order because of the essential relationship that exists between the friars and the seculars. The relationship between the friars and the seculars is not incidental. It is essential. The Secular Order is a distinct branch of the Order as the Constitutions indicate. The seculars, however, do not exist as an independent branch of the Order. Distinct, yes. Independent, no. It is for that reason that the Holy See gives the faculty of establishing Secular Order communities to the Superior General of the friars.
I encourage anyone interested in learning more about OCDS to go to Fr. Deeney's blog and read all of the article from which this was taken: http://ocd4ocds.blogspot.com/index.html#115967688262988004
Also, check out this article by Elizabeth M. Korves, OCDS on Carmelite History:
http://www.geocities.com/korvesem/carmel/OCDSHistory.html
OCDS is a vocation. It isn't a scripture study group or a group of people who gather once in a while to pray Vespers. It is an ongoing Formation in Carmelite Spirituality that lasts a lifetime.
I was sharing with a friend the path my life has taken as an OCDS and the length of time since I entered Aspirancy. He looked me in the eye and said, "You realize of course that people earn college degrees in less time than that!" Somehow I hadn't looked at it from that perspective. But he was right. I have devoted many years to studying and practicing Carmelite Spirituality and there is always more to learn!
I will end this post with a quote from the Catechism on Contemplative Prayer, just to let anyone who reads this know that it is not just forPriets, Religious or Seculars:
2719 Contemplative prayer is a communion of love bearing Life for the multitude, to the extent that it consents to abide in the night of faith. The Paschal night of the Resurrection passes through the night of the agony and the tomb - the three intense moments of the Hour of Jesus which his Spirit (and not "the flesh [which] is weak") brings to life in prayer. We must be willing to "keep watch with [him] one hour."14
This link will take you to what the CCC has to say about Contemplative Prayer:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c3a1.htm
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 02:53 am |
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Patricia, thanks so much for putting this together for us.
Did you explore other Third Orders? If so, were you at all drawn to
any of them?
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 08:39 pm |
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Becky,
I actually spent two years as a Benedictine Oblate before entering Aspirancy as a Carmelite and had to have a release from the Abbey before I could enter Formation as an OCDS.
The problem for me was the distance involved as well as not really being part of a community like I am at Mt. Carmel in Dallas. I would go for retreats and 'Ora et Labora' weekends to Subiaco Abbey in Subiaco, Ark., but I was always on my own. In return for my room and board I would work in the library and help Br. Thomas Moster, O.S.B. I was involved as an Oblate even before I was Confirmed. You don't have to be Catholic to be a Benedictine Oblate.
To be a Carmelite you must be at least eighteen and a Catholic in good standing with the Church. I soon discovered that it was the Carmelite charism of contemplative prayer to which God was calling me.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 01:27 am |
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HermitpatOCDS wrote:
You don't have to be Catholic to be a Benedictine Oblate.
How very surprising.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 11:49 am |
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Intercessor wrote: HermitpatOCDS wrote:
You don't have to be Catholic to be a Benedictine Oblate.
How very surprising.
This is because neither ora nor labora are seen as specifically Catholic. Many non-Catholics pray the LOTH, especially Anglicans. The opus Dei of Benedictines is praying the LOTH.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 12:11 pm |
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Annie, it's been a while, hasn't it, since you gave members an update on your activities as a Benedictine oblate? Hope you will start another thread soon, filling us in on what you have been experiencing.
Patricia and Annie, have either of you come across a source that compares/contrasts various third order groups (not just separate, isolated treatments)? Carmelite spirituality seems a very close match for me, but one should investigate other possibilities, I suppose.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 12:55 pm |
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| I have felt drawn to the Carmelite spirituality also, but there is not a local order that I have found. The closest is an hour and a half away. There is a Franciscan third order group here that a friend from RCIA has joined and she has invited me to attend one of their meetings. Annie has said that the Benedictine rule includes work and prayer, and the Carmelite rule (not really a rule as I understand) is deep contemplative prayer. Other than Franciscan and Dominican, what other orders are there? Does anyone know what a "sodality" is, I have heard it used as a sort of club or group.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 01:18 pm |
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My, my my, Marsha!
Two Southern gals, the same age, former Southern Baptists, now Catholics, each drawn to Carmelite spirituality---
Could we be twins??? 
Let's keep each other informed of any helpful sources on OCDS and other third orders, OK?
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| I will! When I visit with my friend I will tell you all about it. They meet on the third Saturday each month, however they are Franciscan. Did I mention the book "The Springs of Carmel: An Introduction to Carmelite Spirituality" by Peter Slattery? It is published by Alba House. A good source for the beginnings of the order, and gives a short account of major Carmelites such as Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and Therese of Lisieux (my patron). I tend to be an introvert anyway! Have you read "Interior Castle" by Teresa of Avila? Another good book about prayer is by Fr. Thomas Dubay, I think it's called "Deep in Prayer" or something like that. Do you have any third order groups who meet in your area?
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 02:22 pm |
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Marsha wrote:
the Carmelite rule (not really a rule as I understand) is deep contemplative prayer.
Actually we have Constitutions now that are based on the Rule of Life set down by St. Albert of Jerusalem.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 02:26 pm |
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I will! Did I mention the book "The Springs of Carmel: An Introduction to Carmelite Spirituality" by Peter Slattery? It is published by Alba House. A good source for the beginnings of the order, and gives a short account of major Carmelites such as Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross and Therese of Lisieux (my patron). I tend to be an introvert anyway!
Thanks for the Slattery title.
Have you read "Interior Castle" by Teresa of Avila? Another good book about prayer is by Fr. Thomas Dubay, I think it's called "Deep in Prayer" or something like that.
I have The Way of Perfection, The Life of Saint Teresa of Avila by Herself, Interior Castle, and Sermon in a Sentence St. Teresa of Avila (good for time in front of the Blessed Sacrament). I also have Dubay's Fire Within and his Deep Conversion/Deep Prayer. Now, if I just had a faster reading rate. I'm the world's slowest reader. In the earlier thread I posted the URLS for Ralph Martin's materials on St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross. Most of his set on her (about 75%) is devoted to Interior Castle.
When I visit with my friend I will tell you all about it. They meet on the third Saturday each month, however they are Franciscan.. . .Do you have any third order groups who meet in your area?
I will look forward to hearing about your visit with the Franciscan group. I don't think there is a possibility (in terms of distance) for me with that third order. The Dominicans are about an hour away. The Passionists are an hour and a half away. Through Patricia's kind help, I learned of three groups of Carmelites, one ninety minutes away and two others about two hours away.
Patricia, if you could get rid of those secretive rattlesnakes on your property AND if you can make really great fried chicken for Southern girls, maybe you could start a school for Marsha and me.  Seriously, I have been reflecting on how the Lord brings people into our lives--sometimes by means of an Internet forum like this. So glad He brought you to CHNI Forum.
INSPIRATION: Rick should ship his alligator to Patricia. That should get rid of some of the rattlesnakes.  Last edited on Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 04:20 pm by Intercessor
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 02:45 pm |
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Becky wrote:
Patricia and Annie, have either of you come across a source that compares/contrasts various third order groups (not just separate, isolated treatments)?
Not that I know of, but I haven't really looked yet. I will see what I can come up with.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 03:36 pm |
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Becky,
As to those 'secretive rattlesnakes,' we all need something in life to keep us on our toes!
I can really identify with anyone who has a long reading list of books. I keep saying I won't buy another one till I read what's on the shelves at home. Right. Like that's going to happen.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 05:33 pm |
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Patricia,
You briefly mention this on your blog, but would you mind explaining the Carmelite view of continuing with the daily Rosary even after one "loses" the capacity to visualize the meditations? (I think I would have to keep a picture book on the meditations in front of me or something.)
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 07:54 pm |
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Becky,
As Carmelites we are encouraged to have a daily devotion to Our Lady. I still pray the rosary ( I sometimes fall asleep praying it at night...and I am told that my Guardian Angel finishes it for me so he must be working overtime by now.) There are several good devotional books with illustrations that are helpful when you can't meditate. The important thing is not to force yourself to meditate when you can't.
When I say 'meditate' I mean I can't really visualize the events in the decade meditations like I used to. I just finished reading an article by another of our OCDS members, a member of our Provincial Council, where he talks about there not being much difference between 'meditating' and 'spiritual reading' since you have to take in what you read in spiritual reading, not like when we read stricktly for the sake of learning. So maybe I am actually meditating to a certain extent, just not like before.
M. Eugene Boylan, a Cistercian monk, says about discursive meditation: "Some minds reach their conclusions by a sort of intuition rather than by a long discourse of reasoning. When a subject is set before them, they quickly draw out of it all fruit available at the moment and the harvest will not be increased by prolonged consideration." He goes on to say, "Such souls have little to gain by trying to keep the mind fixed for long on the points of a meditation." [Difficulties in Mental Prayer, Scepter Publishers, ISBN 0-933932-90-1 paperback, pg. 40.]
When we find ourselves in this sort of situation is when we are encouraged to sit quietly in the presence of the Lord and allow him to speak to us. This can be difficult especially when we are accustomed to 'doing something' that leads to a certain end as in meditation. We shouldn't NOT meditate since it is a good practice and a part of our prayer discipline, just don't expect the same experience while doing so that we had an the beginning of our prayer life.
There are times when I am distracted and my mind goes off on another thread, but still related to the subject at hand, and I think that God is just leading me somewhere in my prayer time. For instance, I can be meditating on The Baptism of our Lord and end up at the Crucifixtion, wondering how I got there from here, so to speak. I have finally learned not to try to go back to what I was meditating on to begin with and just move on. And I find that such 'meditation' really only lasts seconds and I am left with a lot of time on my hands but having covered a lot of ground. That is when I sit quietly with Jesus, especially if I am at Adoration. I can sit and just 'look at Him, and He looks at me' in the Blessed Sacrament, as an elderly man once told the Cure de Ars.
The further I go into my prayer life the more I have to remind myself of the axiom to Keep It Simple.
God bless.
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HermitpatOCDS wrote:
As Carmelites we are encouraged to have a daily devotion to Our Lady. I still pray the rosary ( I sometimes fall asleep praying it at night...and I am told that my Guardian Angel finishes it for me so he must be working overtime by now.) There are several good devotional books with illustrations that are helpful when you can't meditate. The important thing is not to force yourself to meditate when you can't.
It sounds as if the Carmelite attitude is more merciful than the attitude of some. I become uneasy when I hear persons speak about the Rosary or about a novena as if it is a magic charm to be wound up and has no "power" or "effect" unless performed according to exacting, non-varying standards. One person believed that one must begin the nine days all over again if one forgot to say the novena on, say, the sixth day. It also bothers me to hear persons worrying about "incomplete" Rosaries. (I try to meet the standards, try not to forget during the nine days of a novena, try to complete Rosaries; but I also believe prayer is prayer, not a charm to be wound up.)
A group of three priests told me one could substitute different miracles by Christ (and not be limited to the few included as mysteries). That kind of flexibility is helpful but certainly frowned on by laypersons to whom I mentioned it. Would the Carmelite tradition have a position on this sort of substitution?
M. Eugene Boylan, a Cistercian monk, says about discursive meditation: "Some minds reach their conclusions by a sort of intuition rather than by a long discourse of reasoning. When a subject is set before them, they quickly draw out of it all fruit available at the moment and the harvest will not be increased by prolonged consideration." He goes on to say, "Such souls have little to gain by trying to keep the mind fixed for long on the points of a meditation." [Difficulties in Mental Prayer, Scepter Publishers, ISBN 0-933932-90-1 paperback, pg. 40.]
BINGO!
When we find ourselves in this sort of situation is when we are encouraged to sit quietly in the presence of the Lord and allow him to speak to us. . . . That is when I sit quietly with Jesus, especially if I am at Adoration. I can sit and just 'look at Him, and He looks at me' in the Blessed Sacrament, as an elderly man once told the Cure de Ars.
Yes, sometimes during this sort of prayer forty minutes passes very quickly.
The further I go into my prayer life the more I have to remind myself of the axiom to Keep It Simple.
Sometimes the Glory Be seems to me all that needs to be said. I find great joy in praying the Glory Be before I fall asleep, when I awake in the night, upon awakening . . .
I probably should buy some more books to put on the bookcase with the others waiting to be read, Patricia.  Would Boylan's book be a good choice?
By the way, those tuned in to EWTN prior to tonight's Journey Home probably caught Fr. Dubay's fine commentary on St. Teresa's mansions.
Carmelite spirituality everywhere these days! Last edited on Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 10:47 pm by Intercessor
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I probably should buy some more books to put on the bookcase with the others waiting to be read, Patricia. Would Boylan's book be a good choice?
Absolutely, Becky. It is a wonderful book and is less than 200 pages!
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Patricia, the above description of your prayer experience is an exact parallel of my own. You say, “I find that such ‘meditation’ really only lasts seconds and I am left with a lot of time on my hands but having covered a lot of ground. That is when I sit quietly with Jesus.” This is exactly what happens. My prayer has become ever more of the will, less of the mind. A paragraph or two from scripture or a book like Divine Intimacy, and that’s all I can stand. The rest is in the heart.
Becky, I recommend Boylan’s books highly. I’ve read his Difficulties in Mental Prayer several times over the years (my edition is from Newman Press, 1967) and found it very helpful. I also have his This Tremendous Lover.
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| Not only does my mind not stay on the mystery I'm meditating on, my mind leaves the prayer altogether. I will find myself praying the rosary and thinking about someone I need to call or something I forgot to do. Then I have to bring myself back around to focus on the mystery. It helps a little to try and place myself in the mystery, such as being at the scourging at the pillar, or at the visitation. It also helps to whisper as quietly as I can and not pray it "mentally."
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As we say, Marsha, practice makes perfect. What you describe has happened to all of us; it is part of the human condition. Your approach (vocalizing your thoughts, recitation or reading) is a big help when the mind wanders so far off that you have to bring it back forcibly.
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HermitpatOCDSwrote:
Absolutely, Becky. It is a wonderful book and is less than 200 pages!
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Becky, I recommend Boylan’s books highly. I’ve read his Difficulties in Mental Prayer several times over the years (my edition is from Newman Press, 1967) and found it very helpful. I also have his This Tremendous Lover.
I will order both books. My thanks to both of you.
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Annie wrote: This is because neither ora nor labora are seen as specifically Catholic. Many non-Catholics pray the LOTH, especially Anglicans. The opus Dei of Benedictines is praying the LOTH.
Ok, I'm sorry to be, well, blonde -- but when I read LOTH -- I couldn't help but think, why are you praying the Lord of the Rings?? And, wow, wouldn't that be a long prayer LOL
LOTH or LOTR, see my confusion?
I spend to much time on internet message boards where they abreviate everything
Ok . . . . now I'm going back to reading the thread as intended. Perhaps I will even have a semi-intelligent comment or question to add . . . .
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Ali wrote: I couldn't help but think, why are you praying the Lord of the Rings?? And, wow, wouldn't that be a long prayer LOL
LOTH or LOTR, see my confusion?
Oh that is funny!
Once I read a news headline, "Liberians flee capitol." I wondered, "why are the librarians leaving?"
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David wrote:
I also have his This Tremendous Lover.
 Oh no! Another book to add to my shelves! Sigh. Bless me Father for I have sinned, I confess to being a bookaholic.
Patricia
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"Ecce ancilla Domini fiat mihi secundum verbum tuum." Luke 1:38
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