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susiedear
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 07:57 am |
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I went to daily Mass yesterday knowing that I could not receive the Eucharist because of sin I had committed the day before. It was humbling to stay in the pew, and as a new convert, it reminded me of all the times when I couldn't receive. Before, as a protestant, I was fond of saying that sin has consequences in this life and the life to come, but I wasn't sure that those consequences were real. Now, as a Catholic, I have a much better understanding that sin separates us from God right here and now. It broke my heart to be in the presence of Jesus and not receive.
I can hardly wait to go to confession, and I am so thankful that God, in his mercy, has led me to the Church of full truth.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 09:42 am |
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I suppose different priests do things differently. In my parish, we can go to the office anytime one of the priests are available and have a session of reconciliation. Also, I have seen our pastor hear confession in the back of the church minutes before the start of Mass. Also(#2), we are allowed to go forward for a blessing if we can not receive that particular day.
Would it help if ideas like these were brought up at your church council meeting ?
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susiedear
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 03:33 pm |
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Being a newbie, I've never approached my priest to ask to make a confession outside of the regular hours, so I honestly don't know. I would have gone forward for a blessing, but a eucharistic minister was serving my section so I stayed in my seat. It was all right. It was a good lesson for me to feel the weight of my sin. When I was a protestant, I was very good and shooting up "arrow" prayers asking for forgiveness, especially on those rare Sundays when Communion was served. My sin never cost me a thing. Yesterday was different. This Saturday I'll run, not walk, to the confessional, and it will bring sweet relief.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 04:03 pm |
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susiedear wrote: Being a newbie, I've never approached my priest to ask to make a confession outside of the regular hours, so I honestly don't know.
Canon law requires that a priest hear a person's confession at any "reasonable" time:
Canon 986.1 All to whom the care of souls has been entrusted in virtue of some function are obliged to make provision so that the confessions of the faithful entrusted to them are heard when they reasonably seek to be heard and that they have the opportunity to approach individual confession on days and at times established for their convenience.
I wouldn't walk up to a priest two minutes before mass, but approaching him after mass is not unreasonable. Dropping by the rectory and asking to go to confession is reasonable as long as he is in and doesn't have a scheduled appointment, but it is best to call first and ask for a time that will be convenient to him.
It is also reasonable in most instances to call the rectory an hour before mass and ask the priest if he could hear your confession 10 minutes before mass if he is not already scheduled to hear confession at that time.
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BodRod
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 04:10 pm |
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susiedear wrote: I would have gone forward for a blessing, but a eucharistic minister was serving my section so I stayed in my seat.
That is interesting. My EM traing group was told to give a blessing when requested. Some of the servers just say a couple of words while others say a short request prayer for a blessing for the person. 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14th, 2007 04:57 pm |
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BodRod wrote: susiedear wrote: I would have gone forward for a blessing, but a eucharistic minister was serving my section so I stayed in my seat.
That is interesting. My EM traing group was told to give a blessing when requested. Some of the servers just say a couple of words while others say a short request prayer for a blessing for the person.
Criff, EM's at my church also give blessings, but before I became Catholic, I preferred to only receive blessings from the priest. So if I was sitting in his section, I would go forward, and if not, I wouldn't. Just my personal perference.
Elizabeth, don't be shy to ask your priest to hear your confession outside of the normal confession times. I know my priest is always eager to meet with me. I even asked recently if I could see him on a Monday, not knowing it was his day off, and he agreed (when I realized it was his day off, I said the next day was fine). I'm sure your priest would be just as willing to hear your confession.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 03:20 am |
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 09:37 am |
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brian wrote: What if a eucharistist minister is not in a state of grace?
That is a personal issue. Their own state of grace is not relevant to those receiving communion from them. It is possible to abstain from receiving the Eucharist. We have cup ministers who do not consume the wine due to medication issues or alcoholism, and in all the years I have been a minister I have only picked up one dropped host, and I palmed it and did not consume it as it might have been stepped on.
Those in a habitually sinful state, such as those who may be cohabitating without benefit of marriage, are not allowed to be Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. I can only assume the rule is enforced everywhere.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 12:11 am |
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CajunRick wrote: and in all the years I have been a minister I have only picked up one dropped host, and I palmed it and did not consume it as it might have been stepped on.
So what did you do with it? I thought all hosts had to be consumed.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 08:13 am |
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beachmoss wrote: CajunRick wrote: and in all the years I have been a minister I have only picked up one dropped host, and I palmed it and did not consume it as it might have been stepped on.
So what did you do with it? I thought all hosts had to be consumed.
It can be dissolved in water and the resulting water poured into the sacrarium or directly to the ground, and that's what I did. Contaminated wine can also be mixed with a large quantity of water (more than the wine) and the resulting fluid poured into the sacrarium or directly to the ground.
When the host no longer is recognizable as bread, or when the wine is mixed with a larger quantity of water (so that it is mostly water), they lose their consecrated characteristic and can be respectfully disposed of, but should never be poured into a sewer system.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 01:28 am |
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EM TRAINING: The guidebook for EMs states that EMs must go to confession /be in a state of grace before they can serve as EMs, including the week/day they are serving. I think they go to weekly confession. I know that [if married,] they must have a validly consecrated Catholic marriage in order to serve as an Extraordinary Minister. Also they must attend EM training each year. In that training, EMs learn how to treat spills of either species with respect and what to do about/with them.
LECTOR TRAINING: There is also a mandatory training for lectors each year.
CONFESSION TIMES: Our church has 10,000 members, so there are several scheduled confession times each day. On Sunday, it is offered between the second two services so folks may go then. For the weeks of Easter and Christmas, they have guest priests who serve to hear confessions to help the extra load during that time. It is strange to be in line after Mass has begun (when the lines are that long). It reminds me of the passage in Revelation (of Jesus Christ to John) depicting Christians in Heaven getting clean white robes of righteousness to wear at The Lamb's Supper.
Last edited on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 01:49 am by GoFisher
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 01:35 am |
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EMs are NOT supposed to do a PRIESTLY blessing. The Monsignor at The Shrine of The Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in DC said that blessings are NOT to be done during Mass because NOTHING is to be added to, nor subtracted from The Mass. He said, blessings are to be done after Mass, but NOT during Communion. He said he does not know how this particular (what some call a "liturgical abuse") began.
Some dioceses have the practice for non-Communicants to receive a blessing, but if they are not aware of The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in The Eucharist, they might ignore the bow of honor to be done at The Real Presence.
Having non-communicants remain in the pew is a GRACE-filled practice of The Church to help prevent non-Catholics from the sin of not honoring The Body of Christ as The Eucharist (mentioned by Paul in his letters).
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 09:25 am |
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GoFisher wrote:Having non-communicants remain in the pew is a GRACE-filled practice of The Church to help prevent non-Catholics from the sin of not honoring The Body of Christ as The Eucharist (mentioned by Paul in his letters).
This is the traditional practice; allowing non-communicants to go forward and receive a blessing is based on social embarrassment rather than union with God. Would it not be better for Catholics to re-learn the value of spiritual communion and the graces that flow from it? There are many beautiful prayers that can be used for this, some of which are announced each day on EWTN’s televised Mass. Devotions such as Eucharistic adoration outside of Mass should lead naturally to this.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 12:24 pm |
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| Confession is the one area I am having trouble adjusting to- The Marain Doctrines, Real presence, Communion of saints were all things that I believed in the Anglican church. Confession is a harder habit to get into- not that I disagree just that I am not used to the practice yet. I made a huge confession Holy week but have not made a confession since. While I am not in a state of mortal sin I know for sure that I have venial sins to confess- don't we all? I am going to try to get into the practice of regular confession- my neighbour and good advisor goes at least twice a month as do her family, other Catholic friends go once a year and told me that is all I have to do- yet they do go to church every Sunday.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 12:42 pm |
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| I have found going to confession regularly, about every four to five weeks, is a good deterrent to mortal sin. I started to think about what I was saying and doing more often, and I knew I didn't want to have to sit in confession and talk about it! That may not be the best reason not to sin, but it sure helps me.
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Posted: Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 04:01 pm |
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I would echo what GoFisher said about EMs giving a blessing during Mass, being that one should be careful not give the impression that the roles of a layperson and priest are interchangeable, especially those times associated with the reception of any of the Sacraments.
(For more see - "Instructions On Certain Questions Regarding The Collaboration Of The Non-Ordained Faithful In The Sacred Ministry Of Priests" 1997, - Pope John Paul II, Card. Ratzinger, Card. Castrillon Hoyos, Card. Stafford, .... ).
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Posted: Wed Jun 27th, 2007 12:43 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I have found going to confession regularly, about every four to five weeks, is a good deterrent to mortal sin.
i do the same, those venials add up and can become mortal if we are not careful.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27th, 2007 04:11 pm |
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Annie wrote:
I do the same, those venials add up and can become mortal if we are not careful.
No amount of venial sins can equal or produce a mortal sin, because they are of two different natures. However, it is definitely true that the more venial sins we accumulate, the easier it is to commit a mortal sin. Frequent confession of venial sins is our best assurance that this accumulation will not become too weighty. I acknowledge this as a matter of experience, in spite of the fact that venial sins can be forgiven and expiated without recourse to the sacrament of penance.
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