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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 06:23 pm |
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Dear Dave Armstrong,
Okay, I'll take the plunge and ask the question. I saw in your profile that you were once a Lewisian-Schaefferite. Are we talking C.S. Lewis and Francis Schaeffer? How would you characterize a Lewisian-Schaefferite, and where did you go to church? How did you reconcile Lewisian baptism and belief in the Real Presence with Schaefferite old-enough-to have-your-own-faith baptism and symbolic elements of communion? Etc., etc., etc.
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Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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!! Hi Jane,
Are we talking C.S. Lewis and Francis Schaeffer?
Indeed.
How would you characterize a Lewisian-Schaefferite, and where did you go to church?
Oh; I was just speaking in general terms: to give an idea of where a lot of influence on my Christian thought came from. It was sort of shorthand for "I was the sort of evangelical who really liked Lewis and Schaeffer." I still do. Lewis remains my favorite author. My opinion of Schaeffer has lessened somewhat through the years. Lewis is by far the more profound thinker.
In my older profile I had "non-denominational" and described myself as a "Bapticostal." My theology was basically Baptist and Arminian, but I had various influences. I attended Assemblies of God for four years but never became a member because I disagreed with their notion (as contrary to Paul) that one had to speak in tongues to receive the "enduement of power." I went to a messianic Jewish congregation and also a Lutheran church that was really more into evangelism than Lutheran distinctives. Another church I attended started out as a coffee house and was a "Jesus Freak" type place.
You can learn a lot about my evangelical background in my recent paper: Gratefulness For My Evangelical Protestant Background and the Wonderful Teachings and Blessings Obtained Therefrom (Rev. Dick Bieber et al)
How did you reconcile Lewisian baptism and belief in the Real Presence with Schaefferite old-enough-to have-your-own-faith baptism and symbolic elements of communion? Etc., etc., etc.
I didn't follow their teaching doctrinally, so much as a basis for a Christian worldview and for apologetics. I didn't believe in Real Presence (being very unsacramental), so I was more like Schaeffer in that regard. Initially (first five years as an evangelical) I accepted my infant Methodist baptism as valid, but then I decided to get baptized as an adult in 1982, at age 24.
Schaeffer (like Lewis) would not have believed in adult, believer's baptism because he was a Presbyterian. But he would have rejected baptismal regeneration, unlike Lewis. So in that respect I was more like him, but unlike either, in that I eventually held to believer's baptism and rejected infant baptism.
Last edited on Mon May 26th, 2008 11:29 pm by Dave Armstrong
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