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sewnsew
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 09:52 pm |
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| These tracts were mentioned on another thread- I have never seen one but have heard them referred too. Are they "for real"- is there a live person writing them and do people still hand them out or are they a remnant from the past?
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MitchyMitch
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:18 pm |
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Some of my fondest memories of being a Baptist kid not being able to understand the complexities of a Baptist sermon was grabbing one of these comic-book Chick Tracts and reading them.
Yes, Jack Chick is real. Yes he does write tracts. Yes he is virulently anti-Catholic to the point of being duped and hoodwinked by charlatans.
However, not all of his tracts have to do with Catholicism. Some have to do with homosexuality, drinking, witchcraft, or, well, the entire gamut of being unsaved.
He is often uncharitable, to say the least.
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:50 pm |
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kimdyuma wrote: These tracts were mentioned on another thread- I have never seen one but have heard them referred too. Are they "for real"- is there a live person writing them and do people still hand them out or are they a remnant from the past?
OH, yeah. They're real, alright.  Wikipedia has a pretty good bio on Jack Chick (I'm not going to make any claims about its veracity, but at least you'll get a pretty good idea about who he is and what he's about). Also, you can go to the Jack Chick website if you want info straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak: http://www.chick.com.
Anyway, in my understanding - very briefly - Jack Chick converted in his younger years to Christianity and became a King James Bible-thumping Fundamentalist who felt the need to evangelize about his faith, which he did through little comic books meant to scare the hell into people so they would repent and not end up in Hell.
Enter one Dr. Alberto Rivera. Now, as I understand it, there's some controversy as to whether or not this guy is real, but real or not, he's apparently an ex-Catholic who used to be a Jesuit priest and he "saw the light" and decided he needed to refute Catholicism, which he decided to do through joining ranks with Chick Publications. He wrote several anti-Catholic tracts meant to show Catholics how the Catholic Church has deceived them and that if they don't leave the Church, they will go to Hell.
And yes, I've seen them. A couple of years ago, at least, one of the local Baptist churches in our area went around to all the cars in our church parking lot while we were all inside for Mass and they stuck these nasty little tracts in our windshields. Nothing we could do, really. Personally, I wouldn't want to complain about the legality of something like that because we [Catholics] would definitely get the tables turned on us if we tried to do the same. I say we just fight fire with fire and do the same with our own little tracts. After all, we live in a - ahem - religiously "free" - country, don't we? And we all have the right to evangelize. So, while it's annoying, I don't want to complain about them putting tracts on our windshields. They're sincere, though they're sincerely wrong. They just need to be educated.
And I do know that the biggest Baptist church in our area carries the Chick tracts in their church bookstore. It's kinda hard to deal with... whaddya do, you know? I went in with my ex-boyfriend a couple years ago (he wasn't Baptist, but he was Protestant and he was in the "Missions". The Baptist church had a good deal on bibles if you bought them in quantity, so he bought a bunch to take to Africa with him on his missions trip). Anyway, I went in with him. Oh! The anti-Catholic propoganda on the bookshelves! I wanted to scream! But the lady behind the counter was so sweet. What could I do? It was their turf, after all.
Anyway... went off on a tangent. Sorry. But, yeah, the Jack Chick tracts are still out there. You ought to take a look. If they weren't so dangerous, they're actually quite laughable.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:59 am |
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I'm one Protestant who's ashamed of people like Chick. He gives us a bad name and shames our Lord. He may still be popular in fundy churches, but in the mainstream evangelical churches, we avoid him like the plague.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 03:14 am |
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 Yeah, some of my fellow Protestants (and I don't like using that word anymore as far as that goes) do some things which really embarrass me! The churches I have been associated with would NEVER do anything like that! If I thought any church or church group I was associated with was harrassing Catholics, or even saying anything negative about my dear Catholic brothers and sisters, I would tell them that they needed to stop and if they would not, I would be out of there so fast it would make their heads spin!
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 04:31 am |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: Protestants (and I don't like using that word anymore as far as that goes)
You could call yourself a future Catholic..... 
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:12 pm |
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Jack Chick is alive and well. Iv'e even met a guy passing the tracts out here. "El Pan de la Muerte" , The Death Cookie in Spanish.
An insult to Christianity as well as intellegence.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:29 pm |
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Jack T. Chick is also spreading his trash here in Germany.
Here is a Picture of him, the guy on the Left is JTC.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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Ha, Robert! I was just about to post that same picture! Great minds.... 
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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I forced my slef to read a few of the pamphlets on the link provided. Not just the anti-catholic ones but somer of the others too. He sounds like such a hateful man. I am surprised that people still read these tracts and believe them in this day and age. Oh well there is no end of stupid I guess!
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 03:12 pm |
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J.T. Chick has done more to fuel Anti-Catholicism than any other person in history. He is the one next to Lorene Boettner and David Hunt, that has kept alive the anti-catholic trash of the 19th century nativism / no-nothing movement.
Anti-Catholicism is by no means JTC's invention, but without him and his Ilk, the ideas of Alexander Hislop, William E. Tayler, Mary Monk, Anthony Gavin, Joseph F. Berg, et al, would have not survived into the 21st Century.
Anyone who distributes his trash should think twice about calling themselves a Christian.
Harpers Weekly:
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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I did one paper about Chick:
Jack Chick's Lies: The Real Alberto Rivera (with a letter from an Alberto supporter and counter-reply)
Also, in part of another paper of mine I wrote:
No survey of anti-Catholicism is complete without reference to Jack Chick and Chick Publications, and its notorious comic booklet "Alberto" (with myriad sequels). Here we pass from ignorance and lack of serious study to outright farce and absurdity. Alberto Rivera claimed to be a Jesuit priest, but has decisively been shown to be a total fraud in evangelical magazines Cornerstone (1) and Christianity Today (2). According to Rivera, the Jesuits assassinated Abraham Lincoln and trained Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin; Hitler was a pawn of the Vatican, which was also behind both World Wars. Billy Graham is a Vatican agent, and the Ku Klux Klan, Nazis, Communists and Masons were or are secretly directed by the Jesuits. Oh, and the Jesuits, conspirators that they are, also wrote the Koran! As of April 8, 1989, the date of an article on the subject in the Detroit News (3), nearly half of twenty metropolitan Detroit Christian bookstores carried these magazines. This, more than anything, gives an idea of the magnitude of the problem here dealt with.
1. Cornerstone, vol.9, no.53, "The Alberto Story," Gary Metz, pp.29-31.
2. Christianity Today, March 13, 1981, also by Gary Metz.
3. Detroit News, April 8, 1989, p.17A: "Comic Book Series Gets No Laughs From Christian Groups," Kate DeSmet.
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 08:35 pm |
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kimdyuma wrote: These tracts were mentioned on another thread- I have never seen one but have heard them referred too. Are they "for real"- is there a live person writing them and do people still hand them out or are they a remnant from the past?
Unfortunately, they are real; and they are not a remnant from the past.
I have been given them at Christian music concerts, at pro-life rallies and had them stuck under my windshield outside of church.
They're twisted and hate-filled. Very sickening. Full of complete lies.
Maybe I should add him to my prayer list... 
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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True Image wrote: kimdyuma wrote: These tracts were mentioned on another thread- I have never seen one but have heard them referred too. Are they "for real"- is there a live person writing them and do people still hand them out or are they a remnant from the past?
Unfortunately, they are real; and they are not a remnant from the past.
I have been given them at Christian music concerts, at pro-life rallies and had them stuck under my windshield outside of church.
They're twisted and hate-filled. Very sickening. Full of complete lies.
Maybe I should add him to my prayer list...
Anne
Anne is right. Go to any large, major "Christian" Bookstore and there will be a rack of them for sale. The store owners ought to be ashamed. In some cases the store may be a part of a major chain of Christian Bookstores who stocks them with the chain's choices. How anyone can take these tracks seriously is beyond me, but there's a lot of gullible, hate-filled so-called Christians who distribute these pieces of trash. I'd be embarressed to line a bird cage with them. The aren't even worth the mess the birds would drop on them. As I've said, those of us in the mainstream Protestant church avoid the Chick refuse like the plague. Sorry...I tried to clean it up.
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 04:40 am |
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I walked into a new bilingual Christian bookstore in town today. The man working there greeted me very nicely. As I walked around I was immediately drawn to a bilingual version of a Bible story book for toddlers. (My son has the English one, which was misplaced in a move, and I've searched for a replacement for several years.) I was going to buy it, but as I walked down the next aisle of the tiny store I saw a rack of Chick tracts in Spanish. They didn't have any English ones. (Unfortunately, the evangelicals have really been hitting the Hispanic population hard.)
I decided not to buy the intended book or even really look at anything else in the store. My hasty retreat was slowed by my six-year-old begging for a bracelet, which I refused to buy.
My first thought was to tell the guy why I would not be purchasing anything in his store, but I'm not quite so bold. Of course, as we walked home I was kicking myself for not saying anything. Now I'm thinking of returning and politely pointing out the reason I "fled" the store.
Any suggestions out there? Would you go back? What would you say?
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 02:37 pm |
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beachmoss wrote: Any suggestions out there? Would you go back? What would you say?
I would have said something. My dad was a retail store manager and he used to say the only problems he couldn't fix were the ones he didn't know about. He didn't always do what a complainer wanted, but he always addressed the matter and resolved it in the best way he could.
I would have said, "I thought Christians are supposed to love one another. I can't do business in a store that calls itself Christian and sells hate."
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Posted: Tue Apr 8th, 2008 05:52 pm |
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Any suggestions out there? Would you go back?
Absolutely.
What would you say?
I would be as nice and courteous as I could be, but firm in my complaint. I'd try to engage the owner / manager in a discussion as to what he believes and what he feels he should sell and not sell. I'd ask him if he thinks Catholics are Christians. If yes, why does he sell Jack Chick tracts? If not, then that would lead into another conversation (if he is willing).
If he thinks Catholics are Christians, I'd tell him that good evangelical Protestant magazines such as Christianity Today have exposed the lies in the Chick tracts, and that, as a matter of ethics and charity, he should not sell them at all, because it is a sin to bear false witness, especially against brethren in Christ.
Even if he thinks Catholics aren't Christians, it's still a sin to bear false witness against anyone. So he is wrong in selling this garbage, whatever he personally believes about Catholicism.
Also, be sure to say that you have many friends (if you do!) and that you will be telling them not to patronize his store if he continues. It's amazing how effective that can be! The implied possibility of some sort of boycott or express disapproval. Say you will never go there again, as a matter of principle, if this continues. All with a smile, and no hint of personal hostility . . . The trick, of course, is to manage to do all this with charity.
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