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JillD
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 03:36 pm |
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We were having this discussion at Bible study last night and it was the blind leading the blind. We did get out the CCC and it mentions presbyters and another category, like those authorized by the Church. (Not sure what I remember...)
Anyway, I'm sure there's a simple, definite answer, right??? 
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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JillD wrote: Anyway, I'm sure there's a simple, definite answer, right???
Only a priest may perform a sacramental anointing. The Anointing of the Sick forgives sins, and that power is only granted to those who have received the second level of Holy Orders, priests and bishops.
Anyone may used blessed oil, but it is not the sacrament of Anointing of the Sick unless it is performed by a priest with oil consecrated by a bishop, using the proper form (liturgy) specified by the Church, and only then does it forgive sins. (Our local Catholic store sells small vials of blessed oil.)
Please note that a sacramental confession is also required for the forgiveness of mortal sins, if the recipient is capable of confessing. Otherwise the absolution of mortal sins is conditional since it is based on the presumption of the sinner's desire for the sacrament and repentance of any unforgiven mortal sins.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 04:03 pm |
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| I don't know the textbook answer Jill, but I know of deacons who have administered the annointing of the sick when I was at the hospital visiting. Deacons can bless water and oil, and give blessings. They administer other sacraments. But I don't know where it's written!
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CajunRick
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I don't know the textbook answer Jill, but I know of deacons who have administered the annointing of the sick when I was at the hospital visiting. Deacons can bless water and oil, and give blessings. They administer other sacraments. But I don't know where it's written!
As I indicated, anyone may anoint with blessed oil, and it is true that any priest or deacon may bless sacramentals. However, only the bishop may bless the Oil of the Sick. A sacramental Anointing of the Sick may only take place with oil blessed by the bishop. As a successor to the apostles, his blessing brings the entire Body of Christ into the anointing.
Deacons may not administer any sacrament except baptism, which any of us may administer. A deacon may also stand as official witness at a marriage in which the Sacrament of Matrimony is imparted by the spouses to each other, but he is only a witness.
So if a deacon blesses someone with oil, it is a sacramental blessing, not the sacrament called the Anointing of the Sick.
Words especially in this case are confusing.
Anyone can anoint a sick person with blessed oil.
A deacon may give someone a blessing that is a sacramental. He may use blessed oil.
However, only a priest or bishop, using the consecrated Oil of the Sick and the proper liturgical Rite, can impart the sacrament called the Anointing of the Sick, and in doing so, grant absolution to sins and the remission of temporal punishment.
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Credo Catholic
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 05:50 pm |
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| Thank you Rick, I see the difference. What I have seen then was the deacon blessing someone who was sick, not giving absolution.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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If anyone's curious where Anointing of the Sick came from, scripturally...
James 5:14-16 (ESV)
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
The word rendered "Elders" there is the Greek presbuteros. It's the word from which we get "Priest."
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:00 pm |
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CajunRick wrote:
A deacon may give someone a blessing that is a sacramental. He may use blessed oil.
Are you using the word "sacramental" in the sense of holy water's being a "sacramental"?
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:08 pm |
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germangreek wrote: CajunRick wrote:
A deacon may give someone a blessing that is a sacramental. He may use blessed oil.
Are you using the word "sacramental" in the sense of holy water's being a "sacramental"?
Yes. "Sacramental" as opposed to "Sacrament." Other than baptism, a deacon cannot administer a "Sacrament" but he is permitted a blessing that is a "sacramental". He can bless holy water, rosaries, candles, medals, and people.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 12:55 am |
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Thank you, Rick. I'll pass that along to my class next week.
Jill
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