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sewnsew
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Posted: Sat Jan 13th, 2007 10:33 pm |
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| I know that originally the Anglican believed That the eucharest was Jesus' body but they now teach that is is his spirit. When did their teacHngs change?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sat Jan 13th, 2007 11:16 pm |
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I’m not so sure anything has changed. We Catholics believe the Eucharist is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. If one person says it is his body and another says it is his soul (spirit), both are correct but incomplete.
Something else that you may not be aware of is that Anglicans, in practice, display a certain “latitude” to their doctrines. One Anglican may approach Catholic belief in his faith, while another may be quite Evangelical in his approach to doctrine. As a result, there are Anglicans who accept a near-Catholic understanding of the Eucharist, but there are other Anglicans who see the Eucharist as a “spiritual” thing or even “symbolic.”
Officially, however, Anglicanism did change its doctrinal statements concerning the Eucharist early on. According to what I have read, Bishop Cranmer and Queen Elizabeth I were the architects of much of this “Protestantization” of Anglicanism.
David
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JasPax
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Posted: Sun Jan 14th, 2007 02:55 pm |
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Every Book of Common Prayer, first published in the U.S. in 1801, contains the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion. Article XXVIII in the U.S. version reads in part: "...Transubstantiation (or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine) in the Supper of the Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ; but is repugnant to the plain words of scripture, overthroweth the nature of a Sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions." The original BCP was published in 1549 in England.
King Henry VIII continued to claim to believe in Transubstantiation during the fourteen years he lived after his split with Rome. (As did all Christians for 1500 years). Archbishop Cranmer, (appointed by Henry) agreed and the two of them continued their persecution of Lutherans. After Henry died Cranmer changed and opted for the Lutheran belief in Consubstantiation. That is, Christ is there in the bread and wine but the substance does not change. Two Monarchs later Elizabeth I solidified that belief. What's the best way to separate from the Catholic Church? Answer: Deny the basic tenet of the faith.
Today, the U.S. Episcopal Church (and perhaps all Angicans, I'm not sure about that) have open communion for all. Normally, that is for baptized Christians only, but I suspect that restriction is frequently not required. And there is very little unity regarding the meaning of the Eucharist there.
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James
"Abide in me, and I in you..." John 15:4
"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him." John 6:56
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heardclarke
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Posted: Sun Apr 22nd, 2007 04:52 pm |
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You guys are certainly correct about "latitude"--a charitable term in my opinion--"laxity" might be more accurate, if that is a real word.
At my last E. Church I saw the bread given to three year olds. One child put it in his pocket to save for later! They had a special Eucharist in a small chapel for these children, who are not supposed to be older than 6 to go there. Some parents accompanied them but many just went to the big church and left the preschoolers with a small group of volunteers.
One lady, a friend of the family, also has asked me repeatedly if it's OK "nowadays" for Episcopalians to receive at a Roman church. I say no, that's not really supposed to happen, and she says, "But I do it every time I visit my sister's church." Last time this came up, I said, "Did your sister tell you it was OK, or did Father tell you it was OK?" because I was curious whether the priest even knew what was going on. She did not answer but repeated that she does it every time and feels like it is fine. Then an EC clergyman (an old friend of my husband's) got into the act and started talking about how repressive and unnatural and anti-woman we RCs are....since it was Easter Sunday and we were at a sit-down luncheon, this put a damper on the festivities. 
Just because it doesn't matter to them who takes communion, they think it shouldn't matter to us either. I also think that some of them take it personally that I don't receive at their church (I still go because my husband works there). I think it is ironic that the "Live and let live" philosophy only applies to people who are taking liberties. Anyone whose conscience plays by stricter rules than theirs is by definition "repressed" or "hostile."
I'm going on a tear here so I guess I had better sign off. Thanks for your patience....
Lisa
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Gnyssa
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 05:07 pm |
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As David says, there is a lot of latitude in Anglican Eucharistic thought. Queen Elizabeth I is supposed to have said, "That which He did make, that I do receive and take." In other words, its what Jesus did - but they do not define it exactly what Jesus did. But, God bless them, their doctrine does change a lot and there are trends which come and go. This is why a lot of them end up with the RCC.
Gnyssa
(20 years an Anglican clergyman, now RC priest.)
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