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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 11:37 am |
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Via a catechist list I'm on. (It's not very active, only sporadic posts, I honestly don't know why I don't unsub, cause the info isn't very forthcoming or helpful. But I digress).
What do you mean about making cups and making the bread they will take? I'm hoping you don't mean the children drink the Precious Blood out of the cup and use the bread for their first Communion? Unless the inside of the cups are lined with precious metal, that would be illicit.
This was in response to a first communion activity question. I think the original poster had something different in mind that this response. Here is the original comment . . . . .
It is a little late now But we have a retreat day where the kids make banners, decorate a cup they use for 1st Communion and make the bread they will take on that day
But do cups need to be lined with precious metal? And even if she were being literal, you can't actually make your own bread, either, can you?
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 04:54 pm |
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I think the person is talking about the contents of the banner.
When I received my first Holy Communion, we each got a white felt banner that we decorated with our name and symbols of the Eucharist: a bunch of grapes, a chalice, a loaf of bread, a host, etc.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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My daughter had her First Communion retreat a few weeks ago. At it they made a banner, and they also made bread and chalices. The bread was eaten as their snack at the retreat, along with rice cakes, corn chips, and goldfish crackers. The DRE talked to them about the different grains of the world, which the snacks represented. The goldfish were there to help illustrate the story of the loaves and fishes. They were also given two unconsecrated hosts in their baskets and the tiniest taste of wine.
The chalices they made were of a plastic cup covered with air-dry clay, which they decorated with "jewels". They brought those home to use as Holy Water fonts.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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japhy wrote: I think the person is talking about the contents of the banner.
Yes, me, too.
But specifically, does the cup the priest uses to consecrate the wine need to be lined with precious metal?
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 07:02 pm |
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beachmoss wrote: My daughter had her First Communion retreat a few weeks ago. At it they made a banner, and they also made bread and chalices. The bread was eaten as their snack at the retreat, along with rice cakes, corn chips, and goldfish crackers. The DRE talked to them about the different grains of the world, which the snacks represented. The goldfish were there to help illustrate the story of the loaves and fishes. They were also given two unconsecrated hosts in their baskets and the tiniest taste of wine.
The chalices they made were of a plastic cup covered with air-dry clay, which they decorated with "jewels". They brought those home to use as Holy Water fonts.
Beth
The banner is what the school does for it's kids as well. I love the idea of a retreat. I'm gonne suggest it to my son's CCD teacher next year, lol. We'll see how well it's received  I love her, but not much goes on for kids in our church.
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 10:31 pm |
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Ali wrote: japhy wrote: I think the person is talking about the contents of the banner.
Yes, me, too.
But specifically, does the cup the priest uses to consecrate the wine need to be lined with precious metal?
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Ali,
From my understanding the cup is to be made of a material that will not rust or tarnish. It must be made of metal so it cannot break.
I've also heard it explained that we should put Jesus' Precious Body and Blood into only the finest materials befitting a king.
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 12:36 am |
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| In my parish, the cup the priest uses to serve the servers is gold plated but the cups used to serve the congregation are just "gold tone".
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Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 11:39 am |
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Ali wrote: But specifically, does the cup the priest uses to consecrate the wine need to be lined with precious metal?
From the GIRM:
328. Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.
329. In the Dioceses of the United States of America, sacred vessels may also be made from other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do not easily break or deteriorate. This applies to all vessels which hold the hosts, such as the paten, the ciborium, the pyx, the monstrance, and other things of this kind.
332. As to the form of the sacred vessels, the artist may fashion them in a manner that is more in keeping with the customs of each region, provided each vessel is suited to the intended liturgical use and is clearly distinguishable from those intended for everyday use.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 12:31 am |
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Japhy gave the definitive answer.
Commonly, the term "noble material" is used to describe the vessels used with the Eucharist. The primary objective is to eliminate "man-made" materials. I remember finding a pyx in a particular online store that was made of gold, but lined in plastic! It took awhile and I had to call in some help, but it was eventually pulled from their product line.
It is not possible for them to make their own communion cups. These are sacred vessels. However, it might be possible for them to decorate them. Personally I find it somewhat offensive to the idea of all of us sharing a common cup, but it could still be done acceptably.
As for making the bread, yes, that is possible. There are recipes available. In the Latin Rite, only pure wheat flour and water may be used.
Here is an acceptable recipe for making Eucharistic bread in the Diocese of Richmond, and here is another recipe, and here is a third recipe. All of them fulfill the requirements of the Latin Rite, but I would not use them without specific approval of the diocesan Office of Worship or the Bishop.
Last edited on Mon May 5th, 2008 03:27 am by CajunRick
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 02:02 am |
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CajunRick wrote: ..... but linked in plastic!
I don't understand that part of the sentence. Please explain. 
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 03:28 am |
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RodBod wrote: CajunRick wrote: ..... but linked in plastic!
I don't understand that part of the sentence. Please explain.
Should have said "lined". I fixed the original message. My typing fingers are weak, too. For once in my life, I actually have an excuse. 
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 04:33 am |
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OK, now I understand it. I just looked and mine is lined with plastic, also.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 04:36 am |
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 how are you feeling Deacon? 
In the Byzantine churches we used raised bread, so it is baked by the folks in the parish.
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Posted: Mon May 5th, 2008 11:33 am |
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Pani Rose wrote: how are you feeling Deacon?
If you're asking me, I'm feeling better, but still have a long way to go. I'm not a deacon, however.
In the Byzantine churches we used raised bread, so it is baked by the folks in the parish.
Yes, different Eastern Churches use different recipes, often containing both yeast and honey, and usually made in the parish.
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 12:24 pm |
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Thanks, everyone, for the clarifications and comments. 
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