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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 03:12 pm |
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I've been wondering about this patron saint thing. I understand that many of the saints are considered patron saints of certain situations (e.g., how Saint Anthony is the patron saint of lost items---is that right?). How did this come about, anyway?
Secondly, what does it mean to have a patron saint? As I get ready for confirmation, we've been told we can choose a patron saint, whose name we will take as our new "Church" name at confirmation. I'm thinking if I have a better understanding of what a patron saint is, I'll have an easier time choosing one. Right now, there are two I'm looking to choose between. If I choose one and not the other, will the unchosen saint be offended? (I ask this half-seriously; I know people in heaven don't have negative emotions.) Because of the Communion of Saints, we can talk to ANY of the saints, right? So then what is particularly special about one's patron saint? Is that the one you talk to first?
I hope I don't sound disrespectful with these questions. I come from a faith tradition where saints are completely irrelevent. I love the way Catholics ask the intercession of the saints. I just want to make sure I'm not doing it wrong!
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 04:17 pm |
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| Does one have to choose a patron Saint? I can't figure out who I want- My given name is Kimberley Margaret and I assumed that since Margaret was a Christian name that it would be acceptable but I don't necessarily feel any bond with the various Margarets that are saints.
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 04:42 pm |
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Google patron saint index. You will have several choices for sites. You can pick one (a patron saint) that means something to you. Someone you can identify with either through your occupation, or for some reason that is personal to you. Mine is listed below.
I apologize to St. Thomas More daily for all those years I spent in the "wrong" church.
My dear wife picked St. Anne. Why? Because she loves being a grandmother more than anything!
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 09:45 pm |
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A patron saint is simply a saint who, through their intercession, becomes associated with a place, object, practice, profession, etc.
Choosing a confirmation saint is a wonderful experience because it requires us to investigate the lives of saints, which allows us to learn of the life and sacrifices of a holy person. Keep in mind that we are ALL called to be saints.
To explain the "how and why" of a patron saint, I'll give you an example. St. Maximilian Kolbe was a Franciscan priest whose ministry centered around the printed media. He started a number of Catholic newspapers in Europe and Japan. During the Nazi occupation of Poland, St. Maximilian was arrested and imprisoned in Auschwitz. In the end, he sacrificed his life to save another prisoner. So, now St. Maximilian is considered the patron of those associated with newspapers as well as prisoners and drug addicts (are not drug addicts in a living prison?)
In choosing your patron, I will repeat what another poster on this very forum once said, "You don't choose your patron saint. They choose you."
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 10:16 pm |
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Those who want to explore patron saints in an expansive way may find this site of interest.
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Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2007 01:12 pm |
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K. Ewald wrote: I hope I don't sound disrespectful with these questions.
No question is disrespectful on this forum if it's asked sincerely.
Ideally, a patron saint should be someone you would choose as a friend. A nurse might choose the patron saint of nurses (there are several) or someone like Blessed Teresa of Calcutta (Mother Teresa). A grandmother (as someone else said in this thread) might choose St. Anne, the mother of Mary and grandmother of Jesus. St. Joseph is the patron of fathers. St. Anthony was a hermit, so he was constantly looking for things to help himself to survive, and he became the patron of lost items. St. Peregrine had a growth miraculously cured and is a patron of cancer victims. St. Elizabeth Ann Seton was a teacher and founded schools, as did St. Katherine Drexel. St. Maximillian Kolbe was a martyr for the faith in a German prison camp, and Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha was a Native American.
Your patron should be someone you can share your problems with. Yes, you pray for their intercession but you also talk to them and ask them for advice and assistance in your day to day life.
You can have several patrons. A black nurse from New Orleans who is a newly married coin collector and has traced his ancestry to Nigeria might choose St. Peter Claver (who was black), St. Camillus of Lellis (nurses), St. Louis IX (New Orleans), St. Stephen the Younger (numismatists), St. Nicholas of Myrna (newlyweds), and St. Patrick (Nigeria).
But you should have one primary patron, as you have one best friend. This should be a person you can especially relate to, or one you hope to pattern your life after. Mine is St. Paul, and it's primarily through his influence that I am active in ministries such as this forum. I chose him as my Confirmation patron at age 13 and took his name. My middle name, John, also represents an evangelizer. I didn't exactly choose St. John for my middle name, but I chose John the Evangelist as my patron (there are many other saints named John). I can't say I really chose Paul; it's more like he chose me, as I never considered any other name. Paul is also my father and brother's middle name.
So there are many possible patrons and many ways to choose them. No way is wrong. And as your life changes, your patron may change, or you may emphasize one over another at different stages of your life. Your best friends change, too. And that's OK.
There's a good list of patron saints by topic available at the Catholic Community Forum. It's the same link David gave you.
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Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 06:20 pm |
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When the time came for my Confirmation (in the Spring of 1960), we were living in a extremely anti Catholic town in Illinois. Hatred of Catholicism in certain quarters was strong since a Catholic was running for president. I was a 12 year old apologist and defender of the Faith. I felt like I was in a battle and needed help. You guessed it- St Michael the Archangel picked me. I wanted to answer the Call of the King and be in the front of that charge. St Michael lead us in battle!
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Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 06:30 pm |
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JimAroo wrote: St Michael lead us in battle!
Even if he has to jump out of a window to do it! 
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Very good! Maybe we can get some Guess That Saint Participants from here to help out over there. Or maybe better start the Guess that Saint over here.
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Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 07:24 pm |
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JimAroo wrote: Very good! Maybe we can get some Guess That Saint Participants from here to help out over there. Or maybe better start the Guess that Saint over here.
Your forum is a lot less formal, so it's much more appropriate over there. Besides, we can get 'em posting at both.
Why don't you post a description of the game and a link in a new thread over in Fellowship Hall?
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Thank you all for your helpful comments! As I mentioned in my first post, I was trying to figure out which of two saints to have as my patron and to have for my confirmation name. At first I thought it would be Margaret of Clitherow, because I love her story and it is the tiniest bit similar to mine in that she converted to Catholicism while her husband remained Protestant. But then I started thinking about St. Lucy. Her story didn't strike me as being anything like my own, but she and I have a history I hadn't really even thought about for ages. It's this:
St. Lucy is an extremely important saint to the people of Sweden. It is believed that during a time of extreme famine in that country, a large ship arrived at port in the wee hours of the morning, delivering a huge bounty of food for the starving people. At the helm of the ship, wearing a white robe with a red sash about her waist and a wreath of candles atop her head to light the way, was St. Lucy. So every December 13, Swedish people everywhere honor St. Lucy (they call her Santa Lucia). Even the Lutherans in Sweden venerate St. Lucy.
There is a chapter of the American Swedish Institute in my hometown in northern Minnesota. Every year, they host the Santa Lucia festival, and every year they choose a young woman to represent Santa Lucia to wear the traditional costume, lead the procession, be the hostess at the feast, and then go around to local schools to tell the story of Santa Lucia. The institute asks local high-school girls of Swedish descent to apply for the "job." They read the letters of application and interview everyone before making a selection. To be chosen is an enormous honor---this festival is a pretty big deal in that town.
Well, you guessed it: I was chosen to represent Santa Lucia at the festival when I was 17. I was pretty surprised, really, as there were so many amazing girls who'd applied, including many very Swedish-looking girls. At the time, I hadn't realized Lucia was actually an Italian, so I didn't figure my dark hair and tan skin especially gave me the right "look." But the point is, I was chosen, and I was incredibly honored. One of the other girls, who'd actually visited Sweden, presented me with a Santa Lucia charm on a necklace chain, which I've worn hundreds of times since that December 13th. It only recently occured to me that St. Lucy has probably been looking out for me and praying for me all this time, without my even realizing it! She really DID "choose" me, just as you've all described. Just knowing this makes me feel so special. And I'm happy to know that I can still talk to dear Margaret of Clitherow and ask her to pray for me, as well, as I deal with the difficulties of having a Protestant husband.
Again, thank you all for your insights. It helped!
Kimberly, soon to be known as "Lucy" in the Catholic records!
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| Can Mary be a patron saint? She has been leading me all my life, though I rarely realized it.
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Oh, I am glad I found this topic, because, through the years, I have felt such a close bond with St. Bernadette Soubirous--but, as I've gotten older now, and will be joining the Church next Easter[God willing], I've begun to almost feel too old to have St. Bernadette as my Patron Saint, at this point--I guess I've become age concious, or something, now that I'm a grandmother!
But, I have a big problem--because, I adore Bishop Fulton Sheen, and have since I was a little girl--but, they are still in the process of gathering his case for sainthood together, so I don't even believe he has been titled 'Blessed' as yet--however, I am ever confident that it won't be too long before he reaches sainthood--and, I have decided to help in his cause as best as I can, too--so, unfortunately, I realize I can't choose him--or, rather, he can't choose me--as my Patron--besides that, do women need to choose other women saints for their Patrons? If so, that's another reason I will need to look elsewhere!
But, for some reason, I almost feel as though the Bishop has chosen me--I feel that way, inside--so, this is difficult for me--plus, I've already petitioned him to help with my staying in the RCIA this time, and finally completing it, so that I can join the Church--I have had a very difficult road to travel on my way to the Church, and it's taken many, many years for me to finally even get this far---but, the only other Saint that I've ever felt close to is St. Bernadette--so, I guess she will be whom I choose--or, who has chosen me--I so wish I could add Bishop Sheen's name to hers, though, at my confirmation--ah, well--God's will be done, as always, of course!
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Briar Rose, it's funny you mention Bernadette, I'm reading a book about her right now and it's fascinating. It's called "Bernadette Speaks: A Life of Saint Bernadette Soubirous in Her Own Words" by Rene Laurentin. It's a page turner! With lots of pictures, and some dialogue of the interviews (or interrogations) that were made. I have always loved the old movie about Bernadette with Jennifer Jones, although I've heard it's not accurate. The thing I learn from Bernadette is that we have to listen to heavenly direction and follow it no matter where it takes us or how hard it is to do. She made herself a laughing stock for the whole town but she didn't care. Now look at the town of Lourdes!
You can take the name of male saints, there is a sister at our catholic school with the name Sr. John Thomas. Also, there are friars with the name Mary.
As a grandmother, there's always St. Ann, grandmother of the child Jesus!
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 12:49 pm |
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We had another similar thread to this a while ago and I said I chose for my confirmation name somebody who isn't a saint, Julian of Norwich. The point was made, I think by Rick, that you are just choosing a Christian name and it doesn't necessarily have to be of a saint. PS Julian was cool, an anchoress and her book "Shewings" was the first book published in what we would recognize as English.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 01:48 pm |
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Okay, what's an anchoress? And what is "Shewings" about? Inquiring minds need to know! 
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an anchoress is a female hermit (male hermit = anchorite). she lived in a little room attached to the church in Norwich England. she had a lady to help with her grocery shopping so she didn't have to leave so there is speculation that she may have been from a wealthy background. we don't know her real name, she is named for the church. St. Julian's. Sometimes she is called "Juliana of Norwich." People would come and talk to her through a window. she had a little window to the church so she could watch Mass. some famous people came to visit her like that one Margery whose name I forgot who traveled extensively seeking mystical experiences.
"Shewings" is about a series of 16 visions she saw, some of them quite gruesome, with Jesus' blood dripping on her bed and stuff. eeuw. There are two versions published a shorter and a longer. They are available in modern English.
there are a number of websites dedicated to her. some new scholarship has been done. there is some speculation that the author of "the Cloud of Unknowing" may have been her spiritual director.
curioser and curioser...
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http://www.umilta.net/westmins.html
And interestingly, Julian's church was associated with a Benedictine abbey.
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Thank you for that link to the story about Juliana of Norwich, Anne--I bookmarked it so I can read it later on. [And, I just realized this--my youngest granddaughter's name is Julia!]
And, Marsha--I was amazed to read what you said, here--"The thing I learned from Bernadette is that we have to listen to heavenly direction and follow it no matter where it takes us or how hard it is to do."
Because, last night, before I went to sleep, I'd been thinking about how to give up my own suffering as reparation to help others--it had been mentioned on another message board on the catholic.org website, and it really excited me to realize that I might be able to do that, to help others in at least that way, when I could do nothing else, except to pray for them--and, before I went off to sleep, I remember, also, being overwhelmed with how very much I need to learn about being Catholic, and how excited I am to learn as much as possible about everything--especially about how to work towards the holiness that I am learning about now, since Catholicism teaches us ways we can work towards becoming more like Christ--which totally gives me some hope--yet, the more I've been learning, I realize the more there is to learn!
So, I asked the Lord to please help me to understand the offering up of suffering on behalf of others, and help me with my anxiety over how much I need to learn--and, also, before I went to bed, I read off the prayers, again, for the sainthood of Bishop Sheen, then prayed the one in which we can ask him to interceed for us, and I mentioned what I was asking his help with--
--so, as I was sleeping, I remember now, having this terribly active dream, but I can't remember the details--except for what happened right before I opened my eyes--I suddenly 'saw' the Bishop, and even though he seemed to be standing close to me, I saw him as through a misty-like 'fog', dressed as I always saw him in his tv appearances--and, even though I had the impression that he'd said other things to me, during the dream, this is what I can remember--I 'heard' him say, as clear as a bell--"Now, sit down, and read--and, WATCH!"--and, I completely understood what he'd meant by that--that I was to stop trying so hard to get out there and 'do' everything--I needed to start at the beginning, by LEARNING through reading, WATCHING other Catholics as they practice what they've learned about serving the Lord, and through praying--it was literally thrilling, because it was just like he was really there, and had really said that to me, as someone who honestly cared about me and had my best interests at heart!
Also, for some reason, as I've been thinking of how the Bishop, as well as some other Catholics I've seen, place the initials--JMJ--above what they write--the Bishop used to place the initials on the blackboard, before he began writing down things on it--and, then, I realized what the initials stand for--Jesus, Mary and Joseph--each time I look at the initials, now, I feel this wonderful, inner peace inside, and a genuine comfort even just from looking at them. So, I am thinking that I will begin placing them at the top of all of my own notes, too.
Plus, I truly would love to get the book you are now reading, Marsha, to read, myself! I, also, love that movie with Jennifer Jones, "The Song of Bernadette"--but, I've heard the same as you have, that it's not all that accurate. But, I've read through several accounts of it all on some Catholic websites, and I have been to the Lourdes website--what a wonderful place--I so wish I could visit there! And, I went to the Patron Saints list and read through some of what they had to say about St. Anne, the Blessed Mother's Mother--and, since Ann is also my middle name, maybe I will choose St. Anne as at least one of my Patrons--I still have alot of thinking and praying about it all, though, before making a final decission!
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| And--I just thought of this--how does this sound for my chosen Christian name at confirmation--Anne Fulton? I think I am liking that alot!
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And, I so agree with you about that--Ann!
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| I like Anne Fulton very much! Not only because it sounds great, but it is special to you in the ways you have formed it.
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BriarRose wrote: Oh, I am glad I found this topic, because, through the years, I have felt such a close bond with St. Bernadette Soubirous...
But, I have a big problem--because, I adore Bishop Fulton Sheen ... I don't even believe he has been titled 'Blessed' as yet...
Your Confirmation name does not need to be a saint's name. It must be a Christian name. Names like Faith, Hope, Charity, Chastity, Prudence, Patience, Christian, etc., are all acceptable according to Church law. Some countries, dioceses, parishes, priests, ethnic groups, etc., do restrict the confirmation name to an actual saint's name, but even so the names of the heroes of the Old Testament (Ruth, David, Joshua, Abraham, Moses, Noah, Esther, Solomon, Samson) and the angels (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael) are all acceptable. There is a lot of flexibility, and your pastor might well allow the name "Fulton" even though the good bishop has not been beatified yet (and probably won't be for years). Also, while it is perfectly OK for a woman to choose a male name and vice versa, it is also acceptable to use variations of the name (Joan for John, Christine for Christopher, etc.)
But Bernadette is also a quite acceptable saint. The name you choose for your Confirmation does not have to be your patron saint, and it's quite possible to have more than one patron, so you can use the name Bernadette and still have a private devotion to the good bishop.
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Rick Luquette
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