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Last Judgment, Michelangelo, 1541


I was asked by a Calvinist: "If you were to die tonight and face judgment and God were to ask you why He should let you into heaven, what would you tell Him?"

He insisted on speaking only of faith at the Judgment, to the complete exclusion of works (most contrary to the biblical record of what actually happens, whenever judgment is described). Catholics do not believe in "works-salvation." Works do not save anyone. This is Catholic teaching. But works are neither absolutely separated from faith nor from salvation. This is a different concept.

Biblically speaking, the exact opposite is true: if God asked me the question that my evangelical friend posited (assuming for the moment that God acts like this), and I replied by recounting repeated acts of charity and mercy that I had done: feeding the hungry, giving water to the thirsty, inviting in strangers, clothing the naked, visiting prisoners, and various other "deeds" of mine, I would be doing nothing other than what Jesus Himself does when He describes why a person is saved (at the very least part of the reason why, but the only one given in these passages -- which is my immediate point).

Here are 29 biblical passages I have found about judgment where only works and not faith are mentioned. If anyone can find related passages that give faith alone as the criterion for salvation apart from any mention of works (in the context of the final judgment), please let me know. I'll be forever indebted to you (no pun intended).

I did finally find one that at least mentions faith (but alas, not faith alone): Revelation 21:8 includes the "faithless" among those who will be damned for eternity. Even there it is surrounded by many bad works that characterize the reprobate person.



Psalm 7:8-10 (RSV, as throughout)

The LORD judges the peoples; judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness and according to the integrity that is in me. O let the evil of the wicked come to an end, but establish thou the righteous, thou who triest the minds and hearts, thou righteous God. My shield is with God, who saves the upright in heart.

Psalm 58:11

Men will say, "Surely there is a reward for the righteous; surely there is a God who judges on earth."

Ecclesiastes 12:14

For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

Ezekiel 7:3 (cf. 33:20)

Now the end is upon you, and I will let loose my anger upon you, and will judge you according to your ways; and I will punish you for all your abominations.

Ezekiel 36:19

I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries; in accordance with their conduct and their deeds I judged them.

Matthew 5:22

But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.

Matthew 7:16-27

You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So every sound tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not every one who says to me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?" And then will I declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers." Every one then who hears these words of mine, and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine, and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.

Matthew 10:22 (cf. Mt 24:13; Mk 13:13)

. . . But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 16:27

For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.

Matthew 18:8-9 (cf. Mk 9:43,47)

And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

Matthew 25:31-46

"When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.' Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Luke 3:9 (+ Mt 3:10; 7:19)

Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Luke 14:13-14

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.

Luke 21:34-36

"But take heed to yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a snare; for it will come upon all who dwell upon the face of the whole earth. But watch at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that will take place, and to stand before the Son of man.


John 5:26-29

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.

Romans 1:18

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.

Romans 2:5-13

But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. For he will render to every man according to his works: To those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honour and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

1 Corinthians 3:8-9

He who plants and he who waters are equal, and each shall receive his wages according to his labor. For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body.

1 Thessalonians 3:12-13

. . . may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all men, as we do to you, so that he may establish your hearts unblamable in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.

1 Thessalonians 5:23

May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8

. . . when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

Hebrews 6:7-8

For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned.


1 Peter 1:17

. . . who judges each one impartially according to his deeds . . .

1 Peter 4:13 (cf. Rom 8:17)

But rejoice in so far as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

2 Peter 3:10-14

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.

Revelation 2:5

Remember then from what you have fallen, repent and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.

Revelation 2:23

. . . I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.

Revelation 20:11-13

Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.

Revelation 22:12

Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done.







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Therefore, our answer to the question I cited at the beginning, and to God when we stand before Him, could incorporate any one or all of the following 50 responses: all perfectly biblical, and many right from the words of God Himself:
1) I am characterized by righteousness.

2) I have integrity.

3) I'm not wicked.

4) I'm upright in heart.

5) I've done good deeds.

6) I have good ways.

7) I'm not committing abominations.

8) I have good conduct.

9) I'm not angry with my brother.

10) I'm not insulting my brother.

11) I'm not calling someone a fool.

12) I have good fruits.

13) I do the will of God.

14) I hear Jesus' words and do them.

15) I endured to the end.

16) I fed the hungry.

17) I provided drink to the thirsty.

18) I clothed the naked.

19) I welcomed strangers.

20) I visited the sick.

21) I visited prisoners.

22) I invited the poor and the maimed to my feast.

23) I'm not weighed down with dissipation.

24) I'm not weighed down with drunkenness.

25) I'm not weighed down with the cares of this life.

26) I'm not ungodly.

27) I don't suppress the truth.

28) I've done good works.

29) I obeyed the truth.

30) I'm not doing evil.

31) I have been a "doer of the law."

32) I've been a good laborer and fellow worker with God.

33) I'm unblamable in holiness.

34) I've been wholly sanctified.

35) My spirit and soul and body are sound and blameless.

36) I know God.

37) I've obeyed the gospel.

38) I've shared Christ's sufferings.

39) I'm without spot or blemish.

40) I've repented.

41) I'm not a coward.

42) I'm not faithless.

43) I'm not polluted.

44) I'm not a murderer.

45) I'm not a fornicator.

46) I'm not a sorcerer.

47) I'm not an idolater.

48) I'm not a liar.

49) I invited the lame to my feast.

50) I invited the blind to my feast.
 

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Then God have mercy on me, I fall far short from this list!

How can you ever know you've done enough?

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The person who is in good graces with God will do lots of good works. Protestants believe this as well, but they formally separate sanctification from justification, whereas we do not. Salvation is ultimately a gift from God, by grace alone, through Jesus' redemptive work on the cross. But good works will necessarily follow in any true Christian's life.

And if you fall short on every jot and tittle of righteousness, as virtually all of us do and will at the time we die, then there is the great mercy of purgatory to rectify that sin and render us fit to enter into God's presence in the fullest way (Beatific Vision) in heaven.

Note: I added John 5:26-29 since my original posting because I just found out about it today.

 

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But if I were to die tonight, all I have is a legacy of sin and addiction to show for, oh, and I went to mass today!



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But we have the sacrament of penance. Our sins are forgiven trhough repentance and confession, we are renewed in Christ, We are made clean again, Our justification is renewed. Praise God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Praise God in his angels and in his saints.



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Thanks for the post Dave. I have been cogitating on this very topic for the past few days. Despit all the talk about justification by "faith alone" in protestant circles, I could not think of a single verse where final judgement was not dependent upon moral conduct and works of charity. This fact will be of use to me in my conversations with some protestant friends.



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I just can't lift myself out of this depression, everything I see looks like gloom & doom. I look at the life of somone like Mother Teresa and it makes me look like the devil!

I wish I could go back to when I was a child, when I loved God and others w/out pretence, I often wonder what happened to him.

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I didn't see "I was baptized" on the list.  All those good deeds are for naught if one has never been joined to Christ in baptism, aren't they?  Lots of atheists do good stuff.

As a former ProTESTant (to use Steve Ray's pronunciation which is much more appropriate), I would shiver if someone answered the question with one of those 50 answers and didn't qualify it first by saying that those deeds were done by grace through faith and in obedience to God's prompting in my life.

It is a wonderful list of verses!  I'm going to save that somewhere handy for the next time I get in the conversation you're describing.

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I assumed the sins were commited after baptism.



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Candlemass wrote:
I just can't lift myself out of this depression, everything I see looks like gloom & doom. I look at the life of somone like Mother Teresa and it makes me look like the devil!

I wish I could go back to when I was a child, when I loved God and others w/out pretence, I often wonder what happened to him.

You still have the rest of your life to live, Mark. God is eternal and looks at what you are now, rather than what you were when he first called you. God gives you the opportunity to return to him at every moment, and you need to allow yourself to take advantage of this grace.

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As much as I agree that the Bible clearly takes our works into view when speaking of judgment, I think it unsound advice to picture any of us actually personally using them as an answer (were the question asked). Fact is that the only answer is grace. Christ died for us and forgives us our sins. We will never be good enough or do enough. I think the point of works is that they solidify our salvation which is given as a gift, and they make us more conformed to Christ as He wills and acts in us. They are necessary in the understanding that without them it is much easier to turn away completely from God in rebellion and reject grace. I think Catholic theology sems to imply that works are a part of faith, but really all baptized people enjoy the free gift of salvation unless they die in willful rebellion against God. So, it seems like works ae important in what they protect you from moreso than what they actually earn for you.

Anyway, I am not in any disagreement with anything, except that I think the best thing to say is "Lord, Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner." I hope I would not be one to give Jesus a list of reasons of things I did that prove my faith was real. I will leave it to Him to treat me as He sees best knowing that His mercy is stronger than my sin. You probably wil not find a bible verse where any person accurately judges themself to be righteous or where we tell God how good our faith really is either.
For now, I strive to do better, to pray, and to avoid willful sin. But I hope we all agree that none of us will really be able to say that it apart from Christ we are worthy of salvation. All the good we do is in Him in any case as mentioned.
And Mark, if you keep getting up each time you fall., His loving arms will always be there for you. A saint is one who perseveres in getting up when they fall. The important thing is to avoid intentionally going backward without remorse and to find small ways and acts of love and faith to offer each day. We all fail in some ways, but hopefully we trust in mercy and grace to keep working things out.


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Paul was pretty confident of his place in heaven, having told the people that he had run the race and finished the course, and now the crown awaits him, but yea, I don't think he went to God and told Him how great he was!



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brian wrote: So, it seems like works are important in what they protect you from, more than what they actually earn for you.
If God puts a task before you, a hungry person, a child who needs comfort, a peevish coworker who needs your patience, whatever, and we do not DO it, then we are in rebellion against Him, or so it seems to me.  Our good works are evidence of our obedience to what He has promised to put before us.   Eph 2:10

It's interesting that Matthew 25 was the reading yesterday given the focus of this conversation. 

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JillD wrote:Our good works are evidence of our obedience to what He has promised to put before us.
Obedience is a great virtue, up there next to humility in terms of its necessity for salvation. Children are always admonished to be obedient to their parents. Indeed, it is for this reason that Jesus says in the gospel, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3–40).

Here are some New Testament passages of importance on the role of obedience, and thus the value of “works of faith,” which are really nothing more than obedience in action, in the life of the Christian: John 3:36; Romans 1:5; 5:19; 6:16; 16:26; 2 Corinthians 1:8; 9:13; Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 5:8–9; 1 Peter 1:2, 22; 4:17; 1 John 5:2.

One final thought: The sin of omission is really about the failure to obey God when he calls.

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How are we to know He is calling, and what He is calling for, could you give an example?



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Mark, God called me to leave the Baptist church and enter the Catholic Church, though I had many dear friends and many opportunities for ministry there, and though it meant great heartache for my family and huge adjustments for me.

As David E. said, it would have been disobedience for me to fail to respond to that call.



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Right now the only thing I'm reasonably certain of, is God is calling me out of a pornographic lifestyle, something I have resisted for many years, it will be the hardest thing I've ever embarked on!



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Well of course, Mark - obviously God is calling you to become a discalced Monk and to go witness to the Taliban in Afghanistan! ;) Just kidding! Seriously, it has often seemed to me that if God is calling one do do something, it will somehow become apparent such as by a scripture dealing with the matter strongly impinging itself on your consciousness, possibilities opening which may not have been there before and just a strong feeling, somehow, that this is what you should do.  It's kind of like, for example,when my wife and I got together and were married. It had just somehow strongly seemed as though the "marriage door" was closed to both of us, in many ways, until, at some point, we got together. Then as we met each other and started to date (which was sort of a surprise to us itself) "BOOM"! Things just started to "fall into place" like they never had before!  After our marriage, as we drove off to our honeymoon, we looked at each other, chuckled, and said "We can't believe that just happened! WOW! We are REALLY MARRIED!!" Thirty years later, I cannot imagine life without being married to my wonderful wife and would not want to be single ever again while, before marriage, I could not have imagined ever being married. Our marriage was obviously God's calling and will for us in that area of our life.  Prior to 16 years ago, I could not imagine being a "Daddy", much less being a home schooling Daddy, however, since then, with my beloved, precious child sitting nearby working on a biology course assignment, here I am and I cannot imagine being anything else and would not want to be anything else - even President of the United States! Trust me, when God opens a door and calls you to something, you WILL know it!  And if you answer the call, things WILL work out for you in ways that will ASTOUND you!! Trust me on that, no, better yet, TRUST GOD! ;) 


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 Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 05:46 pm

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JillD wrote:
brian wrote: So, it seems like works are important in what they protect you from, more than what they actually earn for you.
If God puts a task before you, a hungry person, a child who needs comfort, a peevish coworker who needs your patience, whatever, and we do not DO it, then we are in rebellion against Him, or so it seems to me.  Our good works are evidence of our obedience to what He has promised to put before us.   Eph 2:10

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I agree with this to a point. I mean, of course if we are 100% sure that we se the need, and know what we are supposed to do about it, and simply decide we do not care and do not want to help, that is one thing. We are ignoring Christ himself. But in a lot of situations it is difficult to say exactly what is the right thing, or miss the mark, or simply in our weakness give in to selfishness or fail once in a while.
And why are we not out right this second ministering to the poor? They are always somewhere in the world. Just because we do not see therm does not mean they are not somehow in our path. My point is that, there is not an amount of works to do or know if we have done. We only make it to heaven by mercy and dying in a state of grace, which is offered to us as a gift. Agreed, our necessary response requires works of faith and obedience and ministering to those we clearly see God asking us to minister to and not neglecting sevice to those around us or faling to love or forgive others. But I think that it is something that comes naturally in the way we learn to love our neighbor in everyday situations. But nobody will perfectly fulfill it. And therfore nobody can ever have even relative assurance that they are saved (if we overemphasize the role of works) because it would require them to judge themselves that they have fulfilled enough obedience or charitable acts. Granted, it is the case that we will not know 100% for sure until actul judgment, but I think God wants us to live with a relative hope and assurance in His mercy. In the end, it is important that we simply strive to obey and ask for forgiveness when we fail. I only worry about a person who is making just about no effort to obey (or willfully enjoying sin) and making no sincere appeal for mercy when they fail.

And of course, I agree with you that we must not ignore the need of those in front of us. But are there times when I just do not know or feel comfortable with helping people? I could go to the hospital more, or nursing homes or prisons. I go downtown and have to ignore multiple homeless people who I could in theory help (sometiems I do what I can). I do not give away all my surplus income. Someone came to the chapel yesterday who was deaf and needed something, and I did not know what and could not leave the chapel and I just told her to go to the rectory. Did I do enough?

My point is that, if we focus too much on works in salvation we create exactly the type of situation that leads people to leaving the churches for evangelical churches that focus too much on an unbiblical assurance of salvation regardless of what they do. I find the truth is somewhere in the middle. God does not want us to despair or presume, but trust his mercy. I think the good works required of us, are a question of whether on a regular basis we worked at responding to the graces given to overcome our temptation and personal sin and exercise our gifts to minister to those that we see God calling us to minister to, and how we treat those around us. But I fear any theology that makes my ultimate salvation depend too much or not enough on what I do.

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I think salvation really depends on if you died in a state of having your sins forgiven. Did you die while living in repentance for your mortal sin and striving to sin no more. And this forgiveness comes from almost nothing we do bu the merits of the cross. I think that faith in Christ is biblically seen as necessary. I think repentance and living a life of love is necessary, but really the only thing necessary is to ask for mercy and to not turn away.
I think wors come in to play in that God does call us to specific vovcations and chances to minster to others with our gifts.
But I think it comes down to this. All choices we make are choices to correspond with grace or to deny it. Therfore, the importance of our works are sort of a snowball effect. The more we choooise to reject grace the more likely we will continue to do so and solidify our situation. Whereas the more we live in faith and obedience, he less likely we will be turn away as we are progresing in holiness. We are only more likely to keep going as we have found the pearl of great price in relationship to Christ.
So works are very important in that if we fail to do them, we make ourselves esss likely to be open to the grace of final forgiveness and salvation as we will become more interested in personal pleasure and selfishness. Whereas if we do them, we are closer to our salvation than when we first believed.
But ultimately, slavation comes from the cross and our accepting ur utter need for mercy, and then not willfully abusing or neglecting the gift as we receive it. But if we do sin mortally, going to confesion ad once again being clean and ready to receive paradise throguh mercy. Yes it wil requre some amount of straining on our part, because our role can not be utterly nothing, but the straining we are to do is definitely a response to gifts that are already poured out in us. It is God who works as we work. Works are necessary in that they keep us walking in the path and protect us from apostacy and they strenghthen our union with the Lord. I look at it as a relationship. Mother and son or brother and brother or husband and wife will always go on in love until one person wilfully cuts themself off (at least ina situation where one of the parties is perfctt as God is). All we have to do, is love God and neighbor and ask for help when we fail. God forgives and makes up for where we fall short. It seems like it is so hard to have exact theology for this, because God Himself discerns the human heart and will judge according to His wisdom and love. Works are necessary yes, but exactly to what extent and how this corresponds with grace we can not say with the exactness we would like. I like this because it keeps us fearful, yet trusting. We know works are necessary part of living in faith, but we can not define it or scale it just so.
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One must properly understand the exact purpose and nature of my post.

I'm not denying grace alone or faith in the least, as I think I made clear at the beginning of the paper. Catholics DO NOT believe in "salvation by works." Trent makes this crystal-clear. 

What I am doing is presenting all the biblical data I could find concerning what is discussed or made a critierion of who is damned or saved at the time of judgment. It's not a treatise on grace or justification. I've done that elsewhere. It's only about judgment and what we can know about it based on revelation.

So, when asked