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Posted: Thu Jan 31st, 2008 08:53 pm |
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 01:48 am |
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| I read the overview and it names future dates. That makes me real suspicious from the start. How can he possibly know the tribulation is starting in 2009?
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 02:19 am |
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No, it's not legitimate Catholic eschatology at all. Serious eschatological thinkers, Catholic or Protestant, will not name dates like this, because Jesus clearly said "no one knows the day or the hour." So this is goofball stuff. People are harmed by false predictions. False prophets in the Old Testament were stoned. That's how serious God was about it.
It's too bad, because I looked through this man's website and he seems to be serious and has a good heart for God, and seems perfectly orthodox in other areas, but he just goes off into the stratosphere with this end-times business.
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Candlemass
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 02:20 am |
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This was already refuted at another site I post at, this minisrty seems to be the Catholic version of Jack Van Impe! "Back to you Rexella"  Last edited on Fri Feb 1st, 2008 02:22 am by Candlemass
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 06:46 pm |
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| Rexella is kind o' cute, though, I do confess . . .
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Posted: Fri Feb 1st, 2008 08:49 pm |
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Sounds like a Catholic version of pre-millenniumism.
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| I notice there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the home page saying most of the contents are speculative, and not dogmatic. A good thing, otherwise I might conclude the guy is nuts, or a huge heretic.
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 10:46 pm |
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tedjenczewski wrote: I notice there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the home page saying most of the contents are speculative, and not dogmatic. A good thing, otherwise I might conclude the guy is nuts, or a huge heretic.
I still think he may be missing a few cards from the deck!
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 10:49 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: No, it's not legitimate Catholic eschatology at all. Serious eschatological thinkers, Catholic or Protestant, will not name dates like this, because Jesus clearly said "no one knows the day or the hour." So this is goofball stuff. People are harmed by false predictions. False prophets in the Old Testament were stoned. That's how serious God was about it.
It's too bad, because I looked through this man's website and he seems to be serious and has a good heart for God, and seems perfectly orthodox in other areas, but he just goes off into the stratosphere with this end-times business.
It seems the book of Revelation does this to a lot of folk, or rather their approach to it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:01 am |
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Candlemass wrote: It seems the book of Revelation does this to a lot of folk, or rather their approach to it.
Mark, many people seek "secret knowledge". That's what the Gnostic heresy was all about; not necessarily about end times, but about everything. They claimed they had a secret knowledge. Gnosticism is alive and well and living in the preachings of those who claim to know God's will. Other than what Jesus, the Scriptures, and the Church reveal to us, we have no way to know the mind of God.
Jesus taught us many things. One of the things he taught us is that the end is not for us to know. He taught us to be watchful and ready. We can read all the prophecies and scare tactics we want. The prescription for the end times is in Matthew 25. Be watchful. Be prepared. Keep your lamp full. Settle your debts. Care for each other. And when the judgment comes in a day or a week or a month or a million years, we'll be ready.
Chances are my own personal judgment will come long before the general judgment. If I focus on the end times, I will lose focus on what really matters, and that is my own preparation for my own personal "end time". Yes, there is a chance that Gabriel will blow his trumpet and our Savior will arrive on clouds of glory tonight. There is a much better chance that a blood clot will hit my heart or my lungs or my brain tonight, and my physical body will stop breathing. I am in no hurry for my life to end, but I think I'm ready. I want to learn to focus more on my Savior as I get older and to improve my spirituality. I want to pray more and read more scripture, and I want to learn a whole lot more. But if that's not what God has in store for me, that's OK.
There's a very special young lady in my life who will be confirmed in two years, and I want to make it to be her sponsor. I want to stay active here. I don't want to leave my wife alone. I want to share my faith.
Most of all, I want to praise and love God. If it is God's will that I do it in the next life, then that's what I'll do. I hope it doesn't happen suddenly because I don't want to do that to my wife, and I don't want to be a long burden to my family either. But it's not up to me, and I'll gratefully accept my own personal end whenever and however it comes.
But I also won't do anything to hurry it along.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:44 am |
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"Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones, when taking their lamps, brought no oil with them, 4 but the wise brought flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 Since the bridegroom was long delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 At midnight, there was a cry, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!' 7 Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' 9 But the wise ones replied, 'No, for there may not be enough for us and you. Go instead to the merchants and buy some for yourselves.' 10 While they went off to buy it, the bridegroom came and those who were ready went into the wedding feast with him. Then the door was locked. 11 Afterwards the other virgins came and said, 'Lord, Lord, open the door for us!' 12 But he said in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, I do not know you.' 13 Therefore, stay awake, for you know neither the day nor the hour. 14 "It will be as when a man who was going on a journey called in his servants and entrusted his possessions to them. 15 To one he gave five talents; to another, two; to a third, one--to each according to his ability. Then he went away. Immediately 16 the one who received five talents went and traded with them, and made another five. 17 Likewise, the one who received two made another two. 18 But the man who received one went off and dug a hole in the ground and buried his master's money. 19 After a long time the master of those servants came back and settled accounts with them. 20 The one who had received five talents came forward bringing the additional five. He said, 'Master, you gave me five talents. See, I have made five more.' 21 His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant. Since you were faithful in small matters, I will give you great responsibilities. Come, share your master's joy.' 22 (Then) the one who had received two talents also came forward and said, 'Master, you gave me two talents. See, I have made two more.' 23 His master said to him, 'Well done, my good and faithful servant. Since you were faithful in small matters, I will give you great responsibilities. Come, share your master's joy.' 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came forward and said, 'Master, I knew you were a demanding person, harvesting where you did not plant and gathering where you did not scatter; 25 so out of fear I went off and buried your talent in the ground. Here it is back.' 26 His master said to him in reply, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I did not plant and gather where I did not scatter? 27 Should you not then have put my money in the bank so that I could have got it back with interest on my return? 28 Now then! Take the talent from him and give it to the one with ten. 29 For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And throw this useless servant into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.' Matt 25:1-30 (NAB)
In accord with what Rick just wrote, I am learning to take the 2 above quoted parables much more seroiusly, because I can remember being much more concerned about getting my "theology right" than about putting this into practice. And that it is just a suggestion that I get ready or that my particular biblical interpretation that I hold to is what the "reality" is all about or that it is just another Bible Study topic to discuss but what counts is what Jesus is clearly saying here.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 02:09 am |
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setapart wrote: 13 Therefore, stay awake, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
29 For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
These are the key verses of this portion of the chapter.
1. Be ready, for you don't know when the bridegroom (Jesus) is coming.
2. Forgive as you expect to be forgiven. If you cannot forgive others, do not expect God to forgive you. If you cannot develop your own gifts, do not expect God to reward you.
Mark, you have been given talent. Do you return one tenth of this gift to God? What other gifts have you been given?
God gives us 168 hours a week. Do we return one-tenth (16.8 hours) to the Lord? If not, why not?
Or, to look at it another way, can we survive on ten times what we give to God?
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