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Kayla
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| First Name: | Kayla | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | Atheist, kind-of Mormon, Catholic |
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Posted: Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 10:40 pm |
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| I heard tell, in conversation, that the Eccumenical Patriarch was originally higher in authority than the Pope before the Great Schism. Now, I have never heard of such a thing, nor am I really educated much in Church History. I know the basics on the Great Schism, but... what about this idea of the Eccumenical Patriarch?
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CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 12:04 am |
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Kayla wrote: I heard tell, in conversation, that the Eccumenical Patriarch was originally higher in authority than the Pope before the Great Schism. Now, I have never heard of such a thing, nor am I really educated much in Church History. I know the basics on the Great Schism, but... what about this idea of the Eccumenical Patriarch?
The Bishop of Rome has always been considered primary in the Catholic Church. The movement to elevate the Bishop of Byzantium to the primary role began when Constantine moved the capital of the Roman Empire to that city (which was renamed Constantinople in his honor). This was actually one of the first rifts which eventually resulted in the Great Schism of 1054.
Today the Bishop of Byzantium (now known as Istanbul) is the leader of the Greek Orthodox Church and is known as the Ecumenical Patriarch because he is considered the first among equals among the patriarchs of the Orthodox Churches. His position is a primacy of honor, meaning that he has no authority at all over the other Churches. I believe the Orthodox essentially recognize the See of Peter as equal in stature to the See of Byzantium and perhaps slightly higher in rank, but againk it is considered a primacy of honor and not of authority. In the Orthodox Churches, the patriarch of a particular Church has complete immediate jurisdiction.
This can cause problems, such as the current case in Jerusalem. The patriarch of Jerusalem was judged by the other patriarchs to have fallen into heresy. He was deposed and replaced, but for a long time the government of Israel supported the first patriarch. Only recently has the Israeli government agreed to accept the new patriarch, but the old patriarch still claims the tltle and still functions as a "patriarch in exile" so there has been what amounts to a schism in the Church at Jerusalem. It will eventually be settled, but it demonstrates the importance of a central authority in the Church.
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