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 Hello all,

 I was wondering why the church does not excommunicate more. In my current faith tradition, if I began a Pentecostals for choice, I would be removed from membership.

 There is a Catholics for Choice group. Why are there men and women continuing in fellowship with the church?

 I also know a lady who is living in a homosexual relationship and is a Catholic. She has been in the relationship for 15 years or so. Repentance at reconciliation is being sorrowful for sin and turning from it and living in righteousness. Why is she still in fellowship with the church?

 Who is responsible in the Catholic church for these areas? As a pastor I have always taken very seriously that I will stand before God and be judged more strictly that those who do not teach. Do priests bear the brunt of this judgment when they face God?

 Thanks, (These are the type questions I get from others)

 Darryl.

 


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Hello Darryl,

David, Rick, Dave and others can give you a better answers, but I'll make a couple of comments to tide you over till they get on board.

First, those groups you mentioned have removed themselves from fellowship by their actions. If they present themselves and partake of Holy Communion they have greatly compounded their grave sin. Their problem is not as much with man as with God.

There are, unfortunately, people who call themselves Catholic, who do not obey Church teachings, show no sign of repentence, and do not attend Mass. The media refers to them as Catholic also.

It may very well be that the Bishop with jurisdiction over those people you list has privately informed them that they should not present themselves for Holy Communion.  For all I know, their Bishop has also made this public.

But no one wants to see an uproar at Mass.

Recently, for example, Governor Sebelius (sp?) of Kansas was notified publically by her bishop that she was not tp partake of the Eucharist because of her public support for abortion. This was after she had been warned privately some months before and apparently, she did not obey.

Yes, I agree, those in positions of leadership (bishops, priests, catechist) bear a greater responsibility and will be judged accordingly for any false teaching, IMO.

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There are people, Darryl, who would agree with you that the Catholic Church needs to crack down on the dissidents and the sinners of this world, at least the ones that call themselves Catholic. But since our Lord himself preaches mercy and forgiveness (remember Jesus’ words about “seventy times seven”), it is difficult for a good Catholic to do anything less kind.

Meanwhile, those who willfully disobey God are already condemned, blotted out of his Book of Life by their own will to sin. (It is not a vengeful God who does this, but the sinners themselves.) What good would an additional advertence from the Church provide, that would serve as an aid to repentance and turn lives around?

You mention “Catholics for a Free Choice,” which is NOT a Catholic organization, but a secular one. This “organization” is essentially one woman, who has led a decades-long campaign against the Church she voluntarily left (formally repudiated, as will be discussed below), while co-opting the name “Catholic” to use as a weapon against those who are truly Catholic. Yes, she was excommunicated long ago. And she has never been brought to repentance by it.

I also know a lady who is living in a homosexual relationship and is a Catholic. She has been in the relationship for 15 years or so. Repentance at reconciliation is being sorrowful for sin and turning from it and living in righteousness. Why is she still in fellowship with the church?
I see this sort of thing happening all around me. Divorced and remarried is the most common offense, but homosexual relationships are not rare these days.

The point is that these people continue in a state of sin because they are unrepentant, but their offense is not a juridically excommunicable one, so the Church (basically the bishop, since the responsibility and authority rests with him) has no reason to invoke this additional penalty. Actually, if you look at it closely, excommunication adds little to the state of sin. An unrepentant person in the state of sin is, in effect, excommunicated, unable to receive any of the sacraments. That’s all an official excommunication can do: prohibit a person from receiving the sacraments or holding an office in the Church.

Also, there are certain sins, such as that of a priest revealing the content of a penitent’s confession, or that of a person procuring an abortion, through which one incurs automatic excommunication (what is called latae sententiae excommunication — meaning that it is incurred simply and directly by committing the designated sin). In these cases, no official Church action is taken because the excommunication takes place without such action. It does, however, require official Church action to lift such a penalty.

Again, public declaration of an excommunication is rare. Aside from the automatic excommunication mentioned above, private admonishment of a person’s grave and egregious sins must occur first. If the person remains unrepentant, then the bishop may be forced to excommunicate, which is usually done privately. Only in the case of a public scandal, and for the good of the faithful at large, is a bishop permitted to issue a public excommunication or make public a previous private declaration.

But here is a point that many people miss about excommunication: This penalty does not mean that the person is no longer Catholic or is expelled from the Church. Indeed, if this were to happen, the Church would no longer have any authority over such a person, even to forgive and reinstate him upon repentance. Instead, the person himself decides if he will leave the Church by committing an act directly against the faith (usually formal repudiation or joining another religion). And this is a separate issue.

As a pastor I have always taken very seriously that I will stand before God and be judged more strictly that those who do not teach. Do priests bear the brunt of this judgment when they face God?
Yes, priests and especially bishops bear this responsibility. So do others, proportionately, who teach doctrine and morals or direct souls. Authority in the Church is a call to service in the sight of God. Abuse of this authority is a grave sin.

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 JasPax,

 Thanks for your reply. I have seen horrible confrontations in the church. I saw a church split through peoples outbursts in an independant church, I belonged to years ago. There are not too many things in my life where I have felt God's pain in my heart so strongly. Thus you are right it is best not to have a blowup in mass.

 The reason behind the reason I ask is because of the steadfasteness of the RC church. I belong to a faith tradition which preached against birth control 100 years ago. Now most pastors would encourage their flock to use birth control. Indicating times have changed along with it's doctrine. I want to go to a church that Doesn't change it's doctrine with the times. Truth is not subject to time.

 God's promise to Peter must prevail. The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. Abortion, gay marriage, and other anti-God agendas cannot influence the Magesterium.

 God bless,

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Darryl wrote:  JasPax,
I want to go to a church that Doesn't change it's doctrine with the times. Truth is not subject to time. 


 
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Darryl wrote: I want to go to a church that Doesn't change it's doctrine with the times. Truth is not subject to time.
Then I think you will have to choose from a very short list.  If I'm not mistaken, it will have exactly one entry.

As for excommunication, unrepented every mortal sin is in effect an excommunication, in that the person has removed him/herself from the communion of the Church.

How many people did Jesus excommunicate?  Did he even expel his betrayer from the Last Supper?  Did he condemn him when he betrayed the Son of Man with a kiss?

No, he held out his hands to prostitutes and tax collectors, and saved his public condemnations for those who taught error.  He did not publicly condemn the woman at the well or the woman caught in adultery, he condemned the Pharisees.

The Church does the same.  Public excommunication is reserved for those in positions of authority who flaunt the teachings of the Church, and even then, a public condemnation is reserved until private attempts have been made to bring a sinner to repentance.  No one is ever shunned or expelled from church; even those who are publicly excommunicated are welcomed to attend mass and pray for forgiveness.

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 Thanks again guys for you answers. I am running out of objections. My wife and I met with a catholic friend today in person who has been guiding us over the internet. I think I am ready. Where else can I go. I'm tired and ready to go home. My wife is coming around too.

 David thanks for your reply as well. I guess we were posting around the same time. I think it boils down to what someone said to me a few days ago. There are not left and right Catholics. There are not pro-choice catholics. There are only obedient and non-obedient Catholics when in comes to moral issues.

 I don't want to see anyone excommunicated. I just don't want to see sin tolerated. Excommunication is not an end...it is the beginning of a process to get someone in serious sin to repent. (Thinking of the 1 Corinthians 5  - 'The man who had his father's wife.') I guess not being able to receive the eucharist would be torture to a catholic. I am drawing to it in a strong way.

 God Bless,

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I guess, then, that you need to start considering the practical questions: Is your whole family on the same page? Do you have another job lined up? Do you have a place to live?

RCIA starts soon. We’ll keep you in our prayers.

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David,

 I spoke to both my 'bosses' today. My senior pastor was trying to be understanding, but I think he will remove me from the church. In my own heart, I could not keep on as pastor, as I could not function as a protestant pastor anymore. He does want me to do one more thing however. He wants me to talk to a professor from the local bible college who he calls a critical thinker. I will talk to him, however I have been waiting a long time for a protestant knight in shining armour to come and rescue me from the Catholic church. No ones arguments have held much water. My other boss who is over me in the addiction treament program is totally behind me, and says I can continue as a chaplain in the addiction treatment program. (I'm not sure if I can be called chaplain as a catholic anymore, but it doesn't really matter. God is in control.) If it is decided that I must resign, I can do a host of other things - there are tonnes of secular jobs here in Alberta, Canada. I may look into seminary or the like in the RC church. My wife is on board with me. Her position was solidified last night after a long talk with a couple who are converts to the Catholic church. All my kids are under 12. We are now talking to them since we are now firmly decided.

 I look forward to RCIA. I'm not sure if it will be in a class. I need to talk to our local father and RCIA district head about that. It may be one to one. We are in a small rural area. (We may need to go to the city.) I love learning about the Catholic church. It is so deep.

 God Bless you,

 Darryl

 


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Wow, Daryl.  You spoke to your bosses!  I know the courage it takes, and I remember the feelings of being in that place where you are no longer anchored, but are cut loose.  Praying for you as you make this journey, and I want to commend you for your great courage.

On a personal note, my nephew and his wife just moved to Slave Lake, Alberta.  My nephew is a bush pilot for an outfit in that area.


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Darryl wrote:

In my own heart, I could not keep on as pastor, as I could not function as a protestant pastor anymore.


Yes, evidence that your journey has moved beyond "the head" and has penetrated the heart and the will.

He does want me to do one more thing however. He wants me to talk to a professor from the local bible college who he calls a critical thinker.

Darryl, prayerfully consider the advice you receive here and from the office staff, before meeting with that gentleman. As a Sunday School teacher who also had other significant (though unpaid) church responsibilities, I was strongly advised to avoid such meetings. Perhaps you will receive different advice. People are different and situations are different.

My wife is on board with me. Her position was solidified last night after a long talk with a couple who are converts to the Catholic church. All my kids are under 12. We are now talking to them since we are now firmly decided.

I give thanks for your wife's support and for the fact that all your children are young enough to be more compliant now than they will be in a few years. Your faith is a witness to all of us, Darryl. Keep in touch and let us know how things are progressing.

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What a huge step, Darryl! The Holy Spirit will be with your family to guide you as you make this journey; I’ll make sure of that by posting a prayer request. It is so good to know that your family will be making the move together, and that you feel confident of having gainful employment. That is all really important.

It is good to hear that you will be able to continue your work with the addiction treatment program. That is important work. Yes, Catholic laymen can be chaplains. CajunRick, one of our Network Helpers on the forum, used to be a hospice chaplain.

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Darryl wrote: I'm not sure if I can be called chaplain as a catholic anymore
There are many positions for lay Catholic chaplains in prisons, in campus ministry, in hospice and addiction programs, in hospitals, etc.  I would suggest you look into the National Association of Catholic Chaplains for certification requirements.

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I love learning about the Catholic church. It is so deep.


Darryl this journey you are on is courageous and I am praying you onward brother. May you keep your eyes on Jesus as He guides you "deeper" yet. Peace


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Darryl,

If you have a Pastoral Care background and the PCEs to go with it, you are still in Pastoral Care.  Go for it brother!  Go with God!


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Thanks,

 I was called into the office today. I presumed I was being let go. My 'boss' told me he was please with my work and I could still continue as a Chaplain.

 I may however need to give up my role as pastor of the church. Maybe you can help me.

 I'm not sure I can take communion in a protestant church. What does the church teach regarding this? 

 I'm not sure I want to remain as a pastor, but I should ask the question. Can I remain as a pastor in the church and be a member of the catholic church?

 My senior pastor thought I should ask these questions. He is such a wonderful man. He is full of love. He really doesn't want me to leave. I have however made my decision. He did ask of me one thing though, that I meet with a local Bible college professor who is knowledgeable on church history. I have agreed to this. I think he is going to talk about the sacraments coming into the church around the 13th century? Anyone familiar with this?

 It's been a hard day. No one has done more for me in regards to getting me into ministry than my senior pastor. (Other than my wife and God.) I feel like I am grieving him deeply. If the church had never split in the first place clergy  like myself would not be facing this dilema.

 God Bless and have a great feast day,

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I'm not sure I can take communion in a protestant church. What does the church teach regarding this?
If you’re taking classes leading to entry into the Catholic Church, my suggestion is that receiving a Protestant communion would not be in order. The people I have aided through their journey of faith and entry into the Catholic Church have all, at some time in that journey, realized that by believing in the Real Presence of Christ in the Catholic Eucharist, they cannot in conscience accept anything less or have any real communion with those who do not accept that Presence. I think that you, too, will come to a similar conclusion if you continue on your present course.

I'm not sure I want to remain as a pastor, but I should ask the question. Can I remain as a pastor in the church and be a member of the catholic church?
You cannot be both Catholic and Protestant. Eventually, I think you will find that question answered definitively by the authorities in your current denomination (or by the congregation you serve, if the body is organized in this way). The benevolent attitude of your senior pastor aside, if you do not leave of your own accord, they will see to it that you are removed.

He did ask of me one thing though, that I meet with a local Bible college professor who is knowledgeable on church history. I have agreed to this.
Be prepared to be confronted with arguments that you do not have an immediate answer for; that is his duty, as he sees it. You can research these after the meeting, if necessary, for your own peace of soul.

You may be confident that answers are available for every objection. While I am not myself an apologist, I have quite literally not encountered an objection to Catholicism that cannot be answered in convincing fashion. Usually it takes just a few minutes of research on the internet to find the answer.

I think he is going to talk about the sacraments coming into the church around the 13th century? Anyone familiar with this?
Others give various dates. It is all spurious, given the witness of the early Christian writings that show the celebration of the sacraments going right back to the beginnings of Christianity.

There are even passages in the bible that speak of this, such as 1 Corinthians 11:17–30 and the passages in Acts that speak of baptism (“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,” 2:38; “be baptized, and wash away your sins,” 22:16), confirmation (reception of the Holy Spirit, passim), Eucharist (the breaking of bread and the prayers, 2:42).

There is the testimony of St. Ignatius of Antioch (about 105 AD) and a few decades later that of St. Justin Martyr. And the evidence mounts ever higher with the passage of time, such as the offering of Mass on the tombs of the martyrs in the catacombs of Rome and elsewhere. There simply was not a time in Christian history that did not have the sacraments.

I feel like I am grieving him deeply.
Every pastor who has ever had to do what you are doing has felt the same at the time. But afterwards, I have seen inner peace in spite of material hardship, for they know — as you will know — that God was with them even in the sorrowful parting. There will be a new life for you, Darryl, on the other side of the Tiber. You won’t know what that is until you get there. Consider your departure in the light of the departure of the Israelites from Egypt. Just remember that they did not immediately enter into the Promised Land. You can expect a similar sojourn in the desert.

If the church had never split in the first place clergy  like myself would not be facing this dilemma.
This is the sad truth. But one must deal with the reality, and this is what you are doing. At least your chaplaincy is intact, because that is not a sectarian position.

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. . .  I may however need to give up my role as pastor of the church. Maybe you can help me.

 I'm not sure I can take communion in a protestant church. What does the church teach regarding this? 

 I'm not sure I want to remain as a pastor, but I should ask the question. Can I remain as a pastor in the church and be a member of the catholic church?

 My senior pastor . . . is such a wonderful man. He is full of love. He really doesn't want me to leave. I have however made my decision.

 It's been a hard day. No one has done more for me in regards to getting me into ministry than my senior pastor. (Other than my wife and God.) I feel like I am grieving him deeply. If the church had never split in the first place clergy  like myself would not be facing this dilema.

 Darryl.


Darryl, you have been zooming along at such speed and seeming ease, but now comes a time of testing. Perhaps you had not really processed the emotional impact of your recent decision until you saw the pain in your beloved pastor's eyes. Satan is tempting you with the "beauty" of what you will have to sacrifice in order to obey Truth as He has revealed Himself to you.

Many of us had to give up positions that were productive, dynamic, needed (pick your adjectives). Often our positions also met some of our own personal needs for affirmation, companionship, purpose, contribution. It's painful to give up that sort of thing.

Disappointing those who have befriended us is also tough. I still run into persons who have not heard about my embracing Catholicism. This week, at the market, I had to look into the eyes of a Baptist deacon who had, for many years, expressed admiration for me and tell him that I had become a Catholic. The shock, hurt, disappointment on his face made me cry once I got in my car. We have to be willing to make these sacrifices.

Could you stand before others in a Catholic church and profess that you believe all that the Catholic Church teaches and believes and then continue pastoring a church in another faith? Could you receive the blood and body of our Lord in the Catholic Church and then assist in serving the Lord's Supper in a Protestant church?

I think perhaps today you realized the magnitude of your recent decision. It is my prayer that through Adoration you will find clarity and strength. Be courageous, Darryl. I continue to remember you in my prayers.

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 Hi Becky,

 The journey has been moving quickly the last couple of months. However, it began 8 years ago in bible college when I did an essay on John 17. Then 4 years ago after quite a bit of studying, I decided to close to door on coming home and be the best christian I could be.

 I have been in emotional pain for the last couple of months. I have had many long prayer walks, and have hit spiritual rock bottoms. I am not researching the Catholic faith because it seems best as compared to where I am in life now.

 In fact I am battling with this. Part of me loves the liturgy, and beauty of the church. I want to partake of the eucharist. I want to be unified with the One church. I want to have the authority over me.

 I also feel like I am leading my family and my decendants into a hard way. You are never sure of your salvation. In my children's minds right now, they are soundly saved. I feel like the chuch is not a place for kids. I am used to the freedom of a pentecostal church. I love to raise my hands in worship. I love to praise Him out loud with my mouth. I love to preach and see people's lives change as a result of it. With the exception of Father Corapi and a few others on EWTN I have not seen much 'good' preaching.

 Where are the tongue and words of prophecy in the worship service? The bible clearly teaches that they are part of our times together. Could I stand up and give a prophetic word in a Catholic church?

 Why would God take me out of the place I have worked so hard to get into, so I can go to the Catholic church and be less effective?

 I am worried that my family and I are going to lose our zeal for God. We get filled at church and then give out to the world. I guess I haven't taken the eucharist yet. Actually I sat before the tabernacle yesterday for a while and was blessed.

 I just needed to get that out. I am changing my whole life. I do not take this lightly. I feel like throwing up my hands and saying forget it.

 I need to go teach group now,

God Bless,

 Darryl. (Bear with me.)

 


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. . .4 years ago after quite a bit of studying, I decided to close to door on coming home and be the best christian I could be.


Bless your heart, Darryl. You were almost in my camp---for a while I tried to be a good Baptist while paying attention to what the Holy Father said and thinking of him as the head of all Christians. :) We twist ourselves into some amusing (sad) distortions in our efforts to pacify God with partial compliance, don't we?

 I have been in emotional pain for the last couple of months. I have had many long prayer walks, and have hit spiritual rock bottoms.

Dear brother, I am almost relieved to hear you admit this. Frankly, I had been a bit concerned about you because it seemed you were almost having too easy a time of it (no need for others to respond that their own journeys were quick and painless since I know for a few that can happen). I believe Christ wants us to understand the cost of what we are doing, as much as we can at a given point. Great spiritual growth usually comes at a high cost, Darryl. Put simply, it hurts. It hurts like nothing else. A good study of St. John of the Cross makes this principle very clear.

What you call a spiritual rock bottom may, from God's perspective, be the very spot from which He can lift you into light, Truth, peace, and healing. Do not assume that suffering suggests you are on the wrong track. The Devil typically keeps folks very comfortable indeed except when they are moving nearer to union with God.

I am not researching the Catholic faith because it seems best as compared to where I am in life now.

 In fact I am battling with this. . . .

I also feel like I am leading my family and my decendants into a hard way. You are never sure of your salvation. In my children's minds right now, they are soundly saved. I feel like the chuch is not a place for kids. I am used to the freedom of a pentecostal church. I love to raise my hands in worship. I love to praise Him out loud with my mouth. I love to preach and see people's lives change as a result of it. With the exception of Father Corapi and a few others on EWTN I have not seen much 'good' preaching. . . .Where are the tongue and words of prophecy in the worship service? The bible clearly teaches that they are part of our times together. Could I stand up and give a prophetic word in a Catholic church? . . .

Part of me loves the liturgy, and beauty of the church. I want to partake of the eucharist. I want to be unified with the One church. I want to have the authority over me.


Good. Very good, because that is exactly what you need as the first step.
It's the only answer to the tantrums (I mean no disrespect or insensitivity here, Darryl, for your protests and concerns are no different from what mine were, really; and I think you're doing fine in this journey, especially since you remain docile and maintain contact with those who can help you and tell you the truth.), the tantrums that all these questions, fears, and complaints comprise. Why this? Why that? I don't like this. I don't want that. I'm afraid of this. What if that?

Darryl, most of us went through these tantrums and we tried to bargain with God. Satan is trying to make it look complicated. It's really very simple (hard, but simple):

1. What is the Truth? Where is Christ's true Church? Where can I find the Real Presence of Christ?

2. Am I willing to obey the Truth God has revealed to me and submit to the Authority of the true Church He established?

You just have to focus on those two questions first. There's time later to seek answers or comfort on the other issues (I grant they are scary and unsettling.) Until you have made peace with those two questions above, though, your heart and will are not in the right place.

 Why would God take me out of the place I have worked so hard to get into, so I can go to the Catholic church and be less effective?

As Mother Teresa wrote, God wants YOU, not your effective performance. All your hard work was about obedience and conformity to the will of God, not about what you could accomplish or what the pay-off would be later.

I am worried that my family and I are going to lose our zeal for God. We get filled at church and then give out to the world. I guess I haven't taken the eucharist yet. Actually I sat before the tabernacle yesterday for a while and was blessed.

Zeal is nothing if it is not based on Truth. I am not disputing your sincerity, nor am I disputing the value of your past ministry. Things have changed, though, Darryl. God has favored you with the grace to understand Truth regarding His true Church and the Real Presence. Now you must obey His call to come up higher. It is no longer enough to remain where you have been. You know too much now and will be held to a higher standard of accountability.

Yes, you felt the power of the Real Presence before the tabernacle. Keep going back. Take your wife. Train your children. Your responsibility as a father is to lead those children to Truth, Darryl. What safety is there for them if they are held captive outside Christ's true Church, away from the sacraments, away from the grace God longs to send into their lives through membership in the Catholic Church?

Granted, they will have free will and you have no guarantee of their future choices, but your job is to lead them to Truth. Let the Holy Spirit handle the rest. You will set the example and you will pray like crazy for them. Then you'll pray like crazy for your grandbabies.

 I just needed to get that out. I am changing my whole life. I do not take this lightly. I feel like throwing up my hands and saying forget it.

Yep, you needed to get that out. That's what we're here for. We've been there, done that ourselves. We understand. You're among friends (family actually) here. Yes, you are changing your whole life. Praise God! He has shown you the way to lead your whole family (and brought about your wife's cooperation!) to the Truth so that all of you have the best possible opportunity for salvation and union with God.

You perhaps need a little break from the stress of the journey. Do something fun. Read lighter stuff for a while. Play more with the children. Go out on a date with your wife, if you can manage that. Most important----it's time to spend more time in prayer, more time in Adoration, and probably less time in intellectual mastery.

(Bear with me.)

Absolutely. To the happy end! You're doing fine. I was face down on my living room carpet several times, weeping and begging God to make His will clear to me.

It's not easy. But it is simple.
It involves answering those two questions above.

In Christ's love,
Becky

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 Hi Becky,

. . . I am used to the freedom of a pentecostal church. I love to raise my hands in worship. I love to praise Him out loud with my mouth.


Darryl, we do have charismatic Catholics. There are special retreats (I saw one in Nashville publicized recently.) Dave, David, and Rick could probably direct you to a few charismatic parishes or put you in touch with someone who could. Ralph Martin (EWTN) is a well-known charismatic who also happens to embrace Carmelite teaching on obedience to the Divine Will and pursuit of personal holiness. He has a website.

Click here for Renewal Ministries.

With the exception of Father Corapi and a few others on EWTN I have not seen much 'good' preaching.

Let me introduce you to the Fathers of Mercy, if it's good preaching you want. :^)

Click here for fine preachers at Fathers of Mercy.

If you can afford to order a CD set, take a look at what is available. All it takes to get one of the Fathers of Mercy to give a mission (conference) at your parish is a request from the parish priest.

Here's another website at EWTN audio files that allows you to hear Fr. Bill Casey, the Superior General, for free.

Click here for free audio of Fr. Bill Casey.

God bless,
Becky


 



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