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| Location: | St. Catharines, Ontario Canada |
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| First Name: | Tim | | Gender: | Male | | Faith History: | Raised RC, Pentecostal, Baptist, Mennonite, Anglican, Evangelical-Missionary |
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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I've been thinking through the subject of Tradition for a few years, and began to realize that for all the hoopla evangelicals make about being sola scriptura, their belief system isn't really based on the Bible alone. I've realized what some of these traditions/beliefs are myself, and discovered others through reading, but haven't been able to find a more complete list anywhere on the internet. So I thought I would write what I have so far and hope others could add any that they can think of. I see there being 2 categories - beliefs generally accepted by evangelicals which are also held by the Catholic Church and in fact come out of the early/ Catholic Church; and beliefs which are part of the evangelical 'tradition.'
1. From Catholic Tradition
- Matthew, Mark, Luke, John were the authors of the gospels bearing their names
- Doctrine of original sin
- That the 27 books we have in the New Testament canon are the books that are supposed to be there
- Sunday worship (as opposed to Saturday)
- Doctrines related to the full humanity and deity of Christ, and how the natures of Christ could be in the one person
- Doctrine of the Trinity
- Basics of the Creed (although they often don't accept the same meaning as Catholics do - e.g. a different understanding of what is meant by the Communion of Saints
- Sanctity of Life
2. Evangelical Tradition
- ‘Age of Reason or Accountability’
- That the Lord’s prayer should include “For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, now and forever” - which isn’t even in the best early manuscripts
- Sola scriptura & the individual believer’s right to decide for themselves what passages mean
- Sola fide - salvation by faith alone
- That the 'additional' 6 books of the Old Testament canon accepted by the Church until the 1500’s should not actually be there
Tim
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David W. Emery
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| Location: | Brownsville, Texas USA |
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| First Name: | David | | Gender: | Male | | Faith History: | Catholic |
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Very interesting, Tim. The only point I would disagree with you on is this one:
- That the Lord’s prayer should include “For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, now and forever” - which isn’t even in the best early manuscripts
While it’s true that the doxology is not really part of the bible, it is very ancient. Its origin is the Catholic liturgy. That’s right, it was part of the Mass back in the early days. People memorized it that way, and that’s probably how it sneaked into a few biblical manuscripts. In fact, it’s part of the Ordinary Form of the Latin Rite now, coming after the Lord’s Prayer with a short priestly prayer for peace and security intervening.
The point is that what you thought was just an Evangelical aberration is actually Catholic tradition.
David
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tedjenczewski
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| Location: | Richmond, Virginia USA |
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| First Name: | Ted | | Gender: | Male | | Faith History: | Catholic, Presbyterian, revert Catholic |
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 08:14 pm |
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| Hi Tim, and welcome to the forum. If you have not already done so, you just have to read the early fathers, particularily Clement of Rome, Ignatous of Antioch, Justin the martyr, Ireneous of Lyon and Cyprian of Carthage. The catholic faith "IS" the faith that comes to us from the apostles.
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"...the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." 1Tim 3, 15
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