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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 02:28 pm |
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Ruthie wrote: Hi GoFisher, I'm so glad to see you here. Your zeal for God is like a breath of fresh air in spring time, a ray of sunshine. I hope you post here often. Have you always been Catholic, or are you a convert? If you're a convert, will you post your story under "Conversions?" I for one would love to hear your story. I wish I could learn from your prayer life example. I have trouble finding the alone time to pray. Or maybe prayer can be accomplished in snippets. I hope so. About being "fishers of men," do you think this can be done by all Christians? Do you think some are limited by their natural inclinations to be shy or not good with people or with words? Maybe some are meant to be mostly prayer warriors. You seem to be both! God has truly blessed you. And you seem to be such a "good and faithful servant." May God continue to bless you with such zeal. Ruthie Thank you for your note. I'm editing my testimony now and will add it soon. While I was confirmed at this past Easter Vigil Mass, I do not use the word "convert" to describe myself since I've been following The Lord for a long time. Following The Holy Spirit and The Lord's voice is how I got to The Church. I was obedient to do as He told me to, and could hear that voice in several ways. My testimony will show what He said, not only in my heart, but from The Blessed Sacrament in Tabernacles and at Expositions. Examples include: "I AM The Mass!" "THIS is my favorite re-enactment." "You can be Jewish in English by being Catholic." "Go to Mary". I try to remain in an attitude of prayer at all times, so even these words I see as a prayer and a praise report. When I see a problem, I immediately want to pray to cast out any thing that is not of God (this includes sin and illness). It is NOT natural to be afraid to tell others about The Truth. Give them a chance to go to Heaven by sharing The Gospel. This is doing the great commission and the great commandment at the same time. "Go make disciples" is a charge to all disciples of The Lord. The Lord created you and put you in your walk of life in order to take His Light to everyone you meet on your path. (See Acts 1:8) We are to witness in our areas of influence, our local areas, the nation and the world. We are to go ourselves and we are to support the mission fields of others. The only ones who appear to be ONLY prayer warriors are cloistered religious. However, even that group invites folks to attend Mass at their chapels. Also everyone is charged to "pray without ceasing." I think that includes praying right before you go to sleep so the prayer will continue in your heart and mind as you sleep. When I go to sleep with Scriptural lyrics/music in the background, I find I wake up with Scriptures or songs in my head. This is much better than being attacked in your mind by worldly cares. You don't have to be alone to pray, since you can pray under your breath, or in your mind. I like to be bold though and praise The Lord in public. The Pope and many other modern prophets have looked at the signs and heard from The Lord that His return is coming soon. Even if it is not man's idea of "soon", all those living now will die in the next 100 years or so, so then we will all be judged by The Lord. You will not be judged on how I did my mission, but only on whether you did all that The Lord assigned you to do in your life. Keep praying, and reading The Word, and if you can: also pray in tongues and interpret back in English. Then, keep listening to the still small voice of The Lord. This may be easiest to do at The Blessed Sacrament without distractions. You can tune in with The Lord to be able to hear him even while doing the laundry. For example, The Lord is helping me write this to you, and I feel an anointing of The Holy Spirit on my hands right now as I type this. You can increase your faith for: service, holiness and miracles by reading His Word. It took me a few years to do this. When you look back in your life with hopeful eyes, you will see the miracles that The Lord has already done for you and through you. Examples of this for me include: being born, surviving early birth, being picked up by an unseen angel and put on a train when I fell down between the train and the platform, being healed gradually, and instantly at various times, divine timing of being in the right place at the right time. I've also learned that the more you serve The Only Lord God, the more you will be attacked by the enemy. Don't worry, we can overcome that. The enemy is just trying to destroy the humans The Lord created in the image of God, so being attacked is not unusual. It should not be unsual to resist such attacks and win your personal battles over sin and illness. While going through trials and any disease, you can look at it with the eyes of faith and see your way through them, even if you have to wait for some healing after the death that does NOT destroy believers. St. John Bosco had a vision of small ships (denominations) sailing into the port of heaven with the big mother ship (The Catholic Church). That is God's grace and mercy. "How lovely and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity." It is good to follow The Lord, read His Word and even believe the words of Jesus about His Eucharist in John 6. So first, you pray for the eyes, ears and hearts of those you will meet in the future to be opened and the soil of their heart to be cultivated to receive the seed of God's Word of salvation, etc., and that The Truth shall make you/them free. I believe my coming to The Church was a prophetic act for future unity of The Church including current members of other ecclesial bodies. This might explain why I had attended nearly every U.S. denomination over my life. When you know who your REAL boss is (God Our Creator and Savior), then you can better act on His behalf without fear. I've been ridiculed for being a Christian and for being suspected of evangelizing. This is nothing compared to the Christians living in China (prison and worse) and Saudi Arabia (publically beheads Christians every Friday). There are about 30,000 Christian martyrs each year in the 1990s and 2000s. Christians need to avoid the deception of division and come together for evangelism. This is difficult when only The Catholic Church has remained true to The Eucharist and other issues of holiness. In the Revelation of Jesus to St. John the Evangelist, we see that there are seven churches. The Church of Philadelphia is welcomed in Heaven. I believe that includes Word of Faith ecclesial bodies who love, evangelize and do God's miracles. Love God, Love your neighbor, Love yourself, but love others as Jesus loved them (forgiving them while they are killing you). This is a challenge, but we can do it with God's help!
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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 02:31 pm |
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"He who is ignorant of Scripture is ignorant of Christ." said St. Jerome.
He translated The Scriptures from the original autographs into the Latin Vulgate. 
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Posted: Mon Mar 5th, 2007 03:42 pm |
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"But does it mean that Paul did not teach them to baptize?"
a careful read of the verse says he only baptized two and someone else baptized the rest and he's thankful.For other reasons;not because he was teaching not to baptize.I have also read the words of Jesus as saying we must be born again OF water and spirit-that means Baptism.Jesus said water;he meant water.Also after Jesus was baptized Himself they(Jesus and the apostles)went out and baptized. Another passage is important;the COMMAND to baptize all nations specifically in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.Furthermore when Jesus is baptized the Trinity is present.
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i've had ppl tell me Jesus meant amniotic fluid but that can't be what he meant because that's true of ALL humans. Jesus said water.He meant water.
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Posted: Mon Mar 5th, 2007 11:41 pm |
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Blessings to "Boxerpaws".
Catholics are "born again" when 100% of The Holy Spirit comes into you at baptism (including at infancy or when older). You cannot have any less or any more thatn 100% of The Holy Spirit Who Is God. The Holy Spirit Is The Same One as The Father and The Son. The council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. stated that Jesus Christ was God: co-equal, co-eternal and homousious (i.e., of one/the same nature) with the Father.
Catholics are converted at several times: when we renew our baptismal vows at The Sacrament of Confirmation; when we confess our sins and receive absolution at what the Catechism calls by several names: The Sacrament of Conversion/ Reconciliation/ Penance), when we profess our faith at Mass, and when we profess our faith at any other time (hopefully be that witness will help others come to The Lord).
St. Paul (formerly known as Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee) is NOT against baptism. First Century Jews got baptized every time they went to The Temple. Then John the baptist baptized for repentance before Jesus began His public ministry. He noted that Jesus would baptize with The Holy Spirit and with fire too. In Acts, we also find examples of this). Jesus baptized, and that is mentioned in John's Gospel where it is noted that John the Baptizer said, "I must decrease and He (Lord Jesus) must increase" to answer those who questioned the fact that Jesus was baptizing now after John the B had been doing that ministry for a while.
Being baptized with The Spirit is a nickname for activating or releasing the charisms / gifts of The Holy Spirit that are dormant inside believers before they ask for them. They are for use in various ministries, such as healing, evangelism, and general encouragement of The Body of Christ. Really, EVERY Christian is a spirit-filled, charismatic with the potential to do "greater works than these shall you do because I go to The Father" [because then He sent back The Advocate, His Equivalent, Holy Spirit to live IN us instead of just coming upon a few of us every once in a while]. That fulfills His prophetic Word in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 06:22 pm |
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Hi all-
Well, I just couldn't read all these posts thoroughly - there were so many and they were so thorough. I just want to say two things.
1- I'm sure the bible states that "baptism saves you" and references Noah's ark. Some one may have already posted that.
2- DC, you seem to really be working through this. I hope you don't become discouraged. I know what it's like to struggle through the issues. God's peace to you.
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 06:49 pm |
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Laura,
Did you have a word of knowledge? How on earth could you know I'm following this?
I'll let you in to a little secret. I quite like thrashing out the minutiae of what divides us. Don't mind the cut, thrust and the occasional parry of rigorous debate.
But actually we're on the same side. I can't get away from the feeling that the Lord just wants us to be one, even as He and the Father are one, and get on with what He wants to accomplish through us.
Blessings,
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PS Hi David!
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 06:59 pm |
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dc wrote: I'll let you in to a little secret. I quite like thrashing out the minutiae of what divides us. Don't mind the cut, thrust and the occasional parry of rigorous debate.
Since you mentioned the "D" word, let me take this opportunity to state for the record that this is not a debating forum. We answer questions about the faith, sometimes in the form of official Church teaching, and sometimes in the form of personal interpretation. However, it is not proper here to debate anything.
I'm not saying anyone did; just taking advantage of the opportunity to state forum policy.
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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Good grief Rick,
Be a bit more welcoming (back)!
Pity you respond negatively. I did say (and I do believe) we're on the same side.
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 08:27 pm |
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dc wrote: Be a bit more welcoming (back)!
Pity you respond negatively. I did say (and I do believe) we're on the same side.
Sorry, it was not my intention to be negative at all. It was just an opportunity to restate a rule, and so I put my moderator hat on and restated it.
I thought I made that clear when I said:
I'm not saying anyone did; just taking advantage of the opportunity to state forum policy.
It truly was not my intention to accuse anyone of trying to start a debate. It was really and truly an opportunity to remind everyone of a rule, and that's all.
PM to follow.
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 08:54 pm |
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Thanks Rick,
Let me say here (as I did in a PM) for the benefit of others that I quite understand your position. What you did was entirely appropriate. Isn't it good to get misunderstandings sorted out?
Blessings,
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Posted: Tue Mar 6th, 2007 09:02 pm |
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dc wrote: Isn't it good to get misunderstandings sorted out?
Absolutely. For the record, when we do have to come down on a user for an inappropriate post, it is always done privately, as is stated in the forum guidelines.
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DC says "Lord wants us to be ONE": true, The Lord prayed for that in John 17 and then He provided us The Holy Spirit to help us stay "in one accord" (Acts 1:8) and to evangelize. If it were not for the evangelism of The Catholic Church, there would be NO Christians! All Christians were Catholic prior to The Schism and The Reformation. You are right that God does want us to be ONE. "How lovely and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 09:12 pm |
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DC, Would you please keep your contact with me in the public forum so everyone can have a chance to share their data with you? THANKS. Go Fish refers to The Great Commission from The Lord to believers to "Go make disciples and baptize them in The Name of The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit." The whole purpose of charismata (spiritual gifts) is for use in evangelism! (Acts 1:8)
to: dc (Darryl), cajunrick, david w. emery. Blessings to Darryl, (Copy to moderators who might have more info to share with you, and may refer you to other forums and sites that also answer your question).
I just spent an hour writing you, and it disappeared! The "to" line stayed the same, but the page of text I wrote vanished. I will try to write a shorter version of it now.
The Word of God is good to: eat, digest, read, obey, hear, carry, quote, say, pray, preach, teach, exegete, meditate, etc. Faith comes from hearing The Word of God (Romans 10:17). Thy Word is good like medicine. God watches over His Word to do it. His Word will accomplish that which He sent it forth to do. (Isa 55:11)
He who is ignorant of Scriptures is ignorant of Christ. - St. Jerome (translator of The Bible into Latin for anyone who could even read anything at the time).
Catholics believe the whole Bible (including the explanation of Jesus in John 6 that we will eat His flesh and drink His blood). Only ONE Church (and those in Communion with her) does that. You will never see bread crumbs or cracker crumbs wasted all over the floor of a Catholic Church because The Eucharist is revered since it is The Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.
I suggest you visit the RCIA class (Sep-May) at your nearest Catholic Church for more resources. That's what I did. The Holy Spirit led me and The Lord spoke to me via The Blessed Sacrament. Once He said to me, "I AM The Mass!" Last week, He said, "It's The Same Thing!" when I noticed that The Anointing I felt from The Holy Spirit at Adoration of The Eucharist was the same as The Anointing I felt when praying at the charismatic prayer meeting, singing, contemplating, or listening for His answers.
I refer you to the following sources: the resource page of this site, Catholic Answers, Scott Hahn's resources, Tim Staples' resources, The Catechism of The Catholic Church, The Apostolate's Family Catechism, Cardinal Arinze's tape series related to it, Fr. John Hardon's Question and Answer Catechism, the Vatican Website, The New American Bible(NAB) (also found there), the preface and appendix of The NAB which tells the true history of various English translations and other versions merely reworded to make them heretical.
The Catholic Church compiled The Scriptures to make The Bible into one book. Anti-Catholics removed the story of Channukah when they removed several books from The Bible in their versions. Read the true story of Bible translations into English in the appendix of The NAB. Read how important The Scriptures are to Catholics and all Christians in the preface of The NAB, and in The Catechism of The Catholic Church.
The first Catholics WROTE the letters in The New Covenant/Testament of The Bible too.
The Word of God is good to: eat, digest, read, obey, hear, carry, quote, say, pray, preach, teach, exegete, meditate, etc.
He who is ignorant of Scriptures is ignorant of Christ. - St. Jerome (translator of The Bible into Latin for anyone who could even read anything at the time)
Mary's apparitions include her telling Christians to read, study, teach and obey The Word of God. Mary preaches the same thing I have been preaching for ten years, including the time left for evangelism is short so we must get together and do that.
As I wrote in the Forum:
Catholics are "born again" when 100% of The Holy Spirit comes into you at baptism (including at infancy or when older). You cannot have any less or any more than 100% of The Holy Spirit Who Is God. The Holy Spirit Is The Same One as The Father and The Son. The council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. stated that Jesus Christ was God: co-equal, co-eternal and homousious (i.e., of one/the same nature) with the Father.
Catholics are converted at several times: when we renew our baptismal vows at The Sacrament of Confirmation; when we confess our sins and receive absolution at what the Catechism calls by several names: The Sacrament of Conversion/ Reconciliation/ Penance), when we profess our faith at Mass, and when we profess our faith at any other time (hopefully be that witness will help others come to The Lord).
St. Paul (formerly known as Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee) is NOT against baptism. First Century Jews got baptized every time they went to The Temple. Then John the baptist baptized for repentance before Jesus began His public ministry. He noted that Jesus would baptize with The Holy Spirit and with fire too. In Acts, we also find examples of this). Jesus baptized, and that is mentioned in John's Gospel where it is noted that John the Baptizer said, "I must decrease and He (Lord Jesus) must increase" to answer those who questioned the fact that Jesus was baptizing now after John the B had been doing that ministry for a while.
Being baptized with The Spirit is a nickname for activating or releasing the charisms / gifts of The Holy Spirit that are dormant inside believers before they ask for them. They are for use in various ministries, such as healing, evangelism, and general encouragement of The Body of Christ. Really, EVERY Christian is a spirit-filled, charismatic with the potential to do "greater works than these shall you do because I go to The Father" [because then He sent back The Advocate, His Equivalent, Holy Spirit to live IN us instead of just coming upon a few of us every once in a while]. That fulfills His prophetic Word in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
BLESS YOU!!!
Kathy
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From: dc Date: 2007-03-06 23:05:13 Subject: born again Hi Kathy, I'm enjoying reading your contributions when I return to this site from time to time. I don't know whether I want to get involved again in discussions there really though, but just spotted this so I wondered whether I could take it up with you. You wrote:
BORN AGAIN term: The correct English translation of the term found in John 3:16 is "born from above", and NOT born again....
Yes, this seems to be the position of the Catholic apologists I've read too. It's here that my prejudices that Catholics don't know their bibles are, well, sort of confirmed. It is Peter (of all people!), who uses the term anagenneo - literally "born again" in 1 Peter 1:3 and 23, not born from above as in John 3. Do the Catholics not know what a person with as important a rфle in their understanding of the scheme of things has said? I'm guessing that surely they must - and want to get to the bottom of this. Oh, feel perfectly free to ignore this question if you like. I won't feel hurt. God bless,
Darryl (dc) PS The reason for my not knowing whether I should return to the discussions is because time is an issue for me. I am reading books by Catholic authors.
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 09:14 pm |
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Pope Benedict XVI declared 2007 to be The Year of The Word of God!
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 11:23 pm |
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Then perhaps, when I read words on pages of my Bible that Catholic apologists and my Catholic friends say aren't there, I should go with my Bible rather than them.
Thank you though, GoFisher, for your kind reply.
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Posted: Wed Mar 7th, 2007 11:53 pm |
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dc wrote: Then perhaps, when I read words on pages of my Bible that Catholic apologists and my Catholic friends say aren't there, I should go with my Bible rather than them. Thank you though, GoFisher, for your kind reply. dc
Well, that depends on whether or not you want to know what The original Bible says, what The Original Church teaches, and if you wish to seek God with all your heart, mind and soul, and read The Gospel Truth or not.
As the moderator here told you, this site is not for debating Catholic theology, it is for TEACHING Catholic Theology to those who HONESTLY seek The Truth. I pray that you will know the truth and the truth will make you free.
After research, I was glad to find out that I am not "protesting" anything The Church teaches, so I may as well be in full communion by becoming Catholic, so I did. Come on in, the water's fine! You may find you believe THE WHOLE BIBLE AFTER ALL!
You will hear the term "the fullness of the Gospel" to describe only The Catholic Church (One, Holy, Apostolic, Universal, and started by Lord Jesus Himself when He gave the keys of authority to Peter). Non-catholic Christian organizations are called ecclesial bodies since The Church refers to the whole body of believers who ever lived.
While I used to read every version of the Bible I could find and compare them, now I am studying the Scriptures that are approved by The Church and its commentary so I can correct my thinking, and memorize verses correctly that I may have memorized wrongly in the past.
So in The Name of Jesus, I pray that the spirit of rebellion will leave you now, and the Spirit of Truth will come in to your heart and give you The Lord's SHALOM. Amen.
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"SOLA SCRIPTURA" IS NOT SCRIPTURAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2007 01:06 am |
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GoFisher,
I suppose I was going more with the original Greek, from which the Knox and Jerusalem Bible translations were also translated. Is there anything more original than that?
To show that I'm not interested in debating in the least (I was looking for the Catholic Churches view on the verb in 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 meaning "born again", a term they say is not found in God's word, not a debate), it might be best that I leave the discussion at this point. I'm not leaving stubbornly set in my ways or in a spirit of rebellion.
Blessings,
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Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2007 12:54 pm |
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dc wrote: GoFisher, I suppose I was going more with the original Greek, from which the Knox and Jerusalem Bible translations were also translated. Is there anything more original than that?
To show that I'm not interested in debating in the least (I was looking for the Catholic Churches view on the verb in 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 meaning "born again", a term they say is not found in God's word, not a debate), it might be best that I leave the discussion at this point. I'm not leaving stubbornly set in my ways or in a spirit of rebellion. Blessings, dc
If I were you, I'd research the resources for yourself with the help of Catholic experts, not all alone by yourself. The Dead Sea Scrolls were not discovered until about 1959, so this version NAB is more accurate than the previous ones because The Church Magesterium compared it to ensure what they had was correct.
Answer1: YES, there is! http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM
A2: John notes that JESUS said in John 3:7: "Do not be amazed that I told you, 'You must be born from above.'" http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PXB.HTM
Born: see the note on ⇒ John 1:13. From above: the Greek adverb anothen means both "from above" and "again." Jesus means "from above" (see ⇒ John 3:31) but Nicodemus misunderstands it as "again." This misunderstanding serves as a springboard for further instruction.
1 Peter 1:3 is: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in his great mercy gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"
and the footnote for it is:
A prayer of praise and thanksgiving to God who bestows the gift of new life and hope in baptism (new birth, ⇒ 1 Peter 1:3) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The new birth is a sign of an imperishable inheritance (⇒ 1 Peter 1:4), of salvation that is still in the future (to be revealed in the final time, ⇒ 1 Peter 1:5).
1 Peter 1:23 is "You have been born anew, not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God," [url=http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P121.HTM#$4XA]11[/url]
footnotes related are:
[22-25] The new birth of Christians (⇒ 1 Peter 1:23) derives from Christ, the imperishable seed or sowing that produces a new and lasting existence in those who accept the gospel (⇒ 1 Peter 1:24-25), with the consequent duty of loving one another (⇒ 1 Peter 1:22).
11 [23] The living and abiding word of God: or, "the word of the living and abiding God."
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Love, hear + obey God: go fish! (me)
+ The Word became flesh... (St. John 1:14)
Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. (St. Jerome)
+ Follow Me... fishers of men. (St. Matthew quotes The Lord Jesus)
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