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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 05:28 pm |
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Robert Lewis Dabney (1820-1898)
Thanks to the source where I discovered this information.
Reformed pastor Steve Schlissel has written about 19th century (anti-Catholic) Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney's explanations of why so many Protestants were converting to Rome (and they still are doing so, of course). He correctly identifies many legitimate reasons, and the similarity to the continuing situation today is quite striking. The following excerpts are from his article, cited in the above-linked post (bolded emphases my own):
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In 1894, . . . Robert Lewis Dabney, aimed his x-ray vision at a subject which troubled him deeply: the defection of large numbers of Protestants to Rome. His essay, “The Attractions of Popery,” which appeared in the April issue of The Presbyterian Quarterly, made it clear he was no friend of the trend. Dabney regarded “the popish system of ritual and doctrine” to be “the most skillful and pernicious system of error which the world has ever known.”
Yet in setting about to explain why Protestants were becoming Romanists—a trend he predicted would grow—Dabney at times sounded like an apologist for Rome. This is because his Presbyterian convictions were so firmly rooted, he enjoyed the luxury of giving full credit to all the advantages of his opponent. A review of Dabney’s insights concerning Rome’s allure to Protestants has become, if anything, more relevant as we witness in our own time what seems to be an increase in defections from truth to error.
. . . Dabney admitted what many Protestants still fear to admit: that the Protestant assertion of liberty of conscience had run amok and become innumerable assertions of true, though contradictory, private judgments. “Rationalistic and skeptical Protestantism now claims, instead of that righteous liberty, license to dogmatize at the bidding of every caprice, every impulse of vanity, every false philosophy…The result has been a diversity and confusion of pretended creeds and theologies among nominal Protestants which perplexes and frightens sincere, but timid, minds.”
Against this creedal chaos, Rome could come forward to say, “You see what Protestantism leads to? We told you so! Come back to the foundation where infallibility extends from Scripture to history!” When an inquirer decides to be a Roman Catholic, his creedal choices have been reduced. When he decides to become a Protestant, his creedal troubles have just begun.
. . . Against the growing theological liberalism of the nineteenth century, Rome had remained quite stable. While European and American Protestants were rejecting the inspiration of Scripture, vicarious atonement, the Trinity, and even the idea of the supernatural, Rome maintained all these.
. . . As church discipline was disappearing from Protestant churches, the confessional, for all its abuses and despite its invitation to spiritual tyranny, nevertheless remained “a strong organ of church discipline, and is employed as such in every Romish chapel.”
. . . Rather than the holiness of its members, American Protestantism—under the sway of revivalism which relied “upon all species of vulgar claptrap and sensational artifice…instead of the pure word and spirit of God”—became obsessed with the number of its members. Thus, revivalism, just as is the case with its modern daughter-movement called “church growth,” succeeded in destroying churches by substituting body-count for holiness. Scores of thousands of dead souls were stuffed, by trick and trade, into the churches. “Meantime, Rome gets up no spurious revivals; she works her system with the steadiness and perseverance which used to characterize pastoral effort and family religion among Presbyterians.”
. . . This led to a very stark contrast between the character of the Romish service—which appeared sober and reverent—and the character of the American Protestant service, which was often flippant, arrogant, proud and cheap, like a New Orleans whore. This contrast has accelerated over the last 107 years: Rome’s attraction on this score alone is proving irresistible to multitudes. Rather than the beauty of order, God is mocked in American evangelical (and many Reformed!) churches, where every innovation is introduced in an effort to make worship into a live television event, in order to gain audience share. It is nothing less than organized blasphemy. Who can wonder over a movement toward Rome in such an environment?
. . . While much could be said against the rote prayers of the papists, the rote prayer of Rome beats the “no prayer” of lapsed Protestantism. While Rome may celebrate too many days, Dabney gave them an advantage over Protestants who did not honor even the Lord’s Day. It’s bad to adore Mary, but it’s worse to adore nothing but self. “The Romanist’s machine prayers and vain repetitions have, at least, this tendency, to sustain in the soul some slight habit of religious reverence, and this is better than mere license of life.”
. . . Dabney saw Rome’s insistence upon religious schools, over against secularized State education, as a strong advantage for the pope. By embracing public schools, the “bulk of Protestants in the United States have betrayed themselves…to an attitude concerning the rearing of youth which must ever be preposterous and untenable for sincere Christians,” which must regard secular education as thoroughly wicked and destructive. Had “the statesmen and divines of the Reformation, the Luthers, Calvins, Knoxes, Winthrops, and Mathers…been asked, What think you of a theory of education which should train the understanding without instructing the religious conscience; which should teach young immortal spirits anything and everything except God; which should thus secularize education, a function essentially spiritual, and should take this parental task from the fathers and mothers, on whom God imposed it, to confer it on the earthly organism, expressly secular and godless? they would have answered with one voice, It is pagan, utterly damnable.”
Against the trend to secularize education, “the chief, the only organized protest heard in America (came) from the Romish Church.” American Protestants who groveled before the State while insisting they were sons of the Reformers, took aim against Rome which ironically stood alone in being loyal to the very principles of the Reformers! Advantage: Rome.
. . . Dabney admitted Rome erred in making marriage a sacrament, but recognized her superiority in maintaining it as a divinely ordered and religious institution, whereas “Protestant laws and debauched Protestant thought tend all over America to degrade it to a mere civil contract.” Compare the ease of divorce in the respective camps.
. . . Protestantism increasingly favored the mindset that would limit family size, even to the employment of intrusive measures, while “Romish pastors (stood) almost alone in teaching their people the enormous criminality of those nameless sins against posterity at which fashionable Protestantism connives…Their houses are peopled with children, while the homes of rich Protestants are too elegant and luxurious for such nuisances.”
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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| Wow..where do you find these gems David? This is a classic.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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| I actually found this on a Protestant site that calls itself "ReformedCatholicism."
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Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 01:27 am |
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| This is a really great read, Dave. The hatred of "Romanism" is evident in some of the passages and rouses my anger a little. Interestingly, I have never heard a priest or religous in the Catholic Church make such a remark about protestantism. I have heard many such remarks from the mouths of protestant leadership about Catholicism, all the way to the point at which they consider Catholics not to be Christians.
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 05:22 pm |
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| I've found the same thing in my experience. Anti-Catholicism runs very deep in Protestantism because it goes all the way back to its founding. Because of its self-definition as "reform," obviously Protestantism had to find fault with Catholicism, or else why did it exist at all? So being opposed to us is part of the "air that (many many) Protestants breathe."
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 03:30 am |
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Dave,
Is this the same Dabney who gave the world the nonsense leading to all the "rapture" baloney"?
I once tried to make some sense out of the rapturist interpretations of Revelations, and frankly found reading computer "how to" books more interesting and intelligible.
Thank God for Pio Nono! and all the other great (and more fully enlightened) leaders of Catholicism.
s.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 07:50 pm |
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Is this the same Dabney who gave the world the nonsense leading to all the "rapture" baloney"?
No; you're probably thinking of John Nelson Darby, who is considered the "father of dispensationalism."
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 08:03 pm |
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So David, In your opinion. Who came first with the apocalyptic vision? MacDonald or Darby. I know there is a bit of a controversy there.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 08:32 pm |
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I finally read this whole thing, Dave. Very interesting!
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 08:36 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote: Dave,
Is this the same Dabney who gave the world the nonsense leading to all the "rapture" baloney"?
The only things I know about Dabney is that he is linked to southern racism and that he's a hero of Doug Phillips, founder of Vision Forum. When I was wandering through the Reformed blogosphere for the 3 years I was "into" Reformed theology (Presbyterian version), their names came up fairly frequently.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 09:30 pm |
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Hi Rich,
So David, In your opinion. Who came first with the apocalyptic vision? MacDonald or Darby. I know there is a bit of a controversy there
Not sure exactly what you mean, but whatever you mean, I suspect I don't know the answer to it. 
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 09:43 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: Hi Rich,
So David, In your opinion. Who came first with the apocalyptic vision? MacDonald or Darby. I know there is a bit of a controversy there
Not sure exactly what you mean, but whatever you mean, I suspect I don't know the answer to it. 
I'm not sure it's the chicken or the egg. There are those who say Darby got his ideas for his dispensationalist views from the visions of Margaret MacDonald. Others say the opposite or it's a bunch of whooey.
I'm not sure it matters. Regardless, the whole theory is full of holes anyway. Ms. MacDonald supposedly was a member of Edward Irving's church. Irving was the founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church. At the age of 15 she was said to have visions of a secret rapture. This was around 1830. She was declared a prophetess. Must have been the green eggs. Anyway, she often went into trances and had visions of the end of the world.
Irving then began preaching about a secret rapture in his meetings and from there, so the argument goes, Darby developed his dispensational theories not long after that.
I think the history of all this is unclear and no one seems to agree on the issue, but needless to say, Kermie's green eggs must have had something to do with it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 09:43 pm |
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David,
Thanks for the correction.
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 09:55 pm |
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Hi Rich,
I getcha now. You know more about that background than I do. I didn't even know who Margaret MacDonald was. I was thinkin' George MacDonald, but figured that he came too late in the chronology. 
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Posted: Wed Mar 5th, 2008 10:03 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: Hi Rich,
I getcha now. You know more about that background than I do.
Holy Cow...strap down the furniture Mable. I just stumped the expert.  
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rbo4u2 wrote: Holy Cow...strap down the furniture Mable. I just stumped the expert.  
It can happen. Just watch, now Dave will post a long paper on the subject after he researches the daylights out of it. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 09:03 pm |
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Just watch, now Dave will post a long paper on the subject after he researches the daylights out of it.
Not a chance. I lost interest in eschatological stuff in the mid-80s. Sorry!
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 09:12 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: Not a chance. I lost interest in eschatological stuff in the mid-80s. Sorry!
Awww, come on Dave. You don't want to get left behind.    Besides, I'd love to see more of the Catholic take on eschatology. I've read Scott Hahn's books but I know there must be a lot more to discover.
Who knows, with the right artist, you could come up with an award winner.
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Dave Armstrong wrote: Just watch, now Dave will post a long paper on the subject after he researches the daylights out of it.
Not a chance. I lost interest in eschatological stuff in the mid-80s. Sorry!
Just teasing, Dave. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 09:20 pm |
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| You guys are silly. Maybe in 2015 I'll get interested. These things seem to go in 30-year cycles. LOL
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 09:28 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: You guys are silly. Maybe in 2015 I'll get interested. These things seem to go in 30-year cycles. LOL
Yeah...maybe
As I see it, the Catholic church is about historical fulfillment of Old and NewTestament realities when it comes to prophecy. For instance, when Jesus prophecied he often was relating Old Testament prophecy to a soon coming event shortly after his death. The church then in the succeeding centuries put 2 and 2 together and saw the fulfillment of those events.
I think, maybe I'm wrong, but I think the church teaches to "occupy" or "work out your daily life normally" until Jesus finally comes. The emphasis is upon daily life rather than that distant future event. Am I right?
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| I think that is an accurate description of how most Catholics approach these matters, yes.
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On the original post. I used to be a fan of Dabney. He was mostly famous for being the 18th Virginia Regiment's chaplain and Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson's chief of staff. He is honestly the best writer/apologist the "reformed" movement has ever seen. I still like his views on public school and political tyranny.
That was, of course, before I started looking beyond Calvin for the foundation of Church doctrine.
Many of the reasons he cited above is quite an accurate display of the early modernist Protestants' influence on the outright liberal form we have today in some circles. Unlike the "timid minds" he described above, however, I would say it would take a wise and just mind to assess that perhaps the reason Protestantism tends to slip into doctrinal uncertainty and moral degradation is because of false presuppositions and fundamental uncertainty.
At least that's the way it was for me.
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calatorul wrote: Many of the reasons he cited above is quite an accurate display of the early modernist Protestants' influence on the outright liberal form we have today in some circles. Unlike the "timid minds" he described above, however, I would say it would take a wise and just mind to assess that perhaps the reason Protestantism tends to slip into doctrinal uncertainty and moral degradation is because of false presuppositions and fundamental uncertainty.
Joey, I think there are a number of reasons why Protestantism has gone "amok," as the article attests. Now as far as "doctrinal uncertainty" is concerned, I would have to differ with you on that description of Protestantism.
I think we must remember that when speaking of Protestantism, it can be misleading to generalize. After all, are there not MANY camps within Protestantism. Probably the only thing that unites them all is that they aren't Catholic. There are the mainline Protestants who have become very liberal and universalist. For this bunch, doctrinal uncertainty is the name of the game. When one departs from Christian Orthodox belief and wanders into the realm of fantasy and legend, anything goes. Denominations who no longer consider the Holy Scriptures to be inerrant in their original languages, and even attribute large portions of Sacred Scripture to legend, inaccuracu, and untrue, chaos will be the inevitable result.
However, no 5 Point Reformed Calvinist would ever admit to doctrinal uncertainty. They cling to the doctrines of grace and the sufficiency of Scripture with the determination of a bulldog. They have their "Magesterium" from whom they derive much encouragement and are strengthened in their faith tradition, even though they stress the sufficiency of Scripture alone. They point to Calvin (of course) as their Founding Father. Then there are those that follow right behind Mr. Calvin in defense of Reformed Theology such as Knox, Edwards, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Pink, Packer, to mention a few. I'm sure some of you could add to this list. My point is that Calvinism, by its very nature, claims certainty - certainty in the sufficiency of Scripture. The Solas are the hallmark of their beliefs -Scripture Alone, Grace Alone, Faith Alone, Christ Alone. Am I missing one? Hmmm, I think there are five, but I can't remember the other one. Just ask a deeply rooted, committed Calvinist if he/she is uncertain about their doctrines and they will tell you that the perpescuity of Scripture declares that we can be and must be certain about what we believe in regards to our Christia | | |